← Council Meeting July 29, 2026
Vancouver City Council meeting of Wednesday, July the 29th, 2026, reconvening from July the 28th, 2026. This meeting is being held in person by electronic means. Council members and the public may participate by either method. Any members joining electronically are reminded to enable their video to confirm quorum. This meeting is being live streamed on the city's website and YouTube. Meeting progress will be updated on X and threads at Van City Clerk. So due to new posting limits, updates will only cover essential items such as vote results. Speakers are encouraged to monitor the live stream to track meeting progress. But please note there is a slight delay. Call in or arrive soon after receiving your reminder email so you are ready when your name is called. In case of an emergency requiring an evacuation, there are two exits located. Beyond the glass doors and to the left, if the glass doors are blocked, please use one of the four additional exits in this chamber here. Do not use the elevator, use the stairs instead. If you require assistance, please stay where you are and one of our incredibly friendly security team members will help you to a safe location. Also, a defibrillator is available at the end of the hallway just outside these doors here. I do want to acknowledge that we're hosting today's council meeting on the traditional territories of the Musqueam, Squamish, and TTsleil-Waututh First Nations, and I do want to thank them for their generosity, hospitality, and love and care. They show this great land that we get to live or can play on. I also want to acknowledge the incredible contributions of all of our team members throughout the city of Vancouver who work incredibly hard every single day with passion to make our city a better place for everyone. And so with that, if we can please have a roll call.
Mayor Sim in the chair with a leave of absence for civic business from 4 p.m. onwards, Councillor Kirby Young. Present. With a leave of absence for civic business from 5 p.m. onwards, Councillor Dominato.
Councillor Bligh. Present. Councillor Fry.
Councillor Bligh and Councillor Fry both have leave of absence for civic business from 5 p.m. onwards. Councillor Montague.
Councillor Klassen.
Present.
With the leave of absence for civic business from 5 p.m. onwards, Councillor Meiszner.
Also with a leave of absence for civic business from 5 p.m. onwards, Councillor Zhou.
Also with a leave of absence for civic business from 5 p.m. onwards, Councillor Orr. And same leave of absence as above, Councillor Maloney. Also with a leave of absence from 5 p.m. onwards. This meeting has quorum, Mayor Sim.
Thank you.
Thank you. Okay, so the plan for today, we're going to recess at noon for lunch, followed by the in-camera meeting. Return at 1.30 p.m. to continue to deal with the remainder of the agenda. Adjourn or recess by 5 p.m. as there is minimal quorum after 5 p.m. If we recess, the reconvene date is Thursday, July 30, 2026 at 9.30 a.m. Reports. At the council meeting yesterday, council dealt with unfinished business 1 through 4. Reports 1 through 5, 7 through 11, 13, 15, 17, 20, 22.
through 24 and bylaw 31 bylaws 24 and 26 through 29 and administration or administrative motion number four were withdrawn today council will start with report six arts culture and community services sublease lease and license agreements and grant approvals followed by report 12 and the remainder of the agenda items okay so item number six arts culture and community services sublease and license agreements and grant approvals
Before we begin this agenda item, if anyone believes that they have a conflict, I don't see anyone's hands up.
So this item does not have a team member presentation. Council, you have up to five minutes to ask questions of team members.
Yeah, thanks, Mayor. It's a question for staff. I understand that the term is initially 15 years. Is that correct? Am I reading that correctly? Or apologies, I may actually be looking at the...
What is the term? Apologies.
Dr. Witkins, GM, ACCS. There's a number of leases addressed through the report. Which one are you referring to? Is it the West End? The West. I'm talking about the Filipino Legacy Society space. Okay, thank you. I will pass it to Armin.
Thank you for the question. We have a two-year lease with them at this point, and we have communicated with the Legacy Society that that is the two-year lease that we're actually looking to consider. Okay, and is there, I guess, the possibility, if necessary, of extending that two years? It's obviously not a long time to build a new cultural center, et cetera. Correct, absolutely. Okay, and then on the space, I'm familiar with the atrium. Is it the space that's closer, I guess, to Georgia Street, or is it a space that's closer to Robson Street? It's Unit 202, Councillor, and I'm sorry, I don't have that in my head. I don't have, it's more on the Robson side I'm hearing. Okay, thank you. You're most welcome. That's it. Thank you. Thank you very much, Councillor. Okay. Seeing no one else in the queue, we're now going to hear from registered speakers for this report.
Public speakers should state whether they support or oppose the recommendations and may only speak once. I'll also ask speakers if they are residents of Vancouver, if it's not so noted on the speakers list. Our first speaker on the public body representative list is the Honourable... Mabel Elmore, Emily for Vancouver Kensington, and a good friend of the City of Vancouver. Please go ahead.
Awesome. Terrific. Thank you very much, Mayor and Councillors. It's great to be here with you today. I know it's kind of on really anchoring your effort on a colossal session that you've had. So I just want to say kudos to you and thanks for your service and really just excited. to come and speak in favour of the recommendation. I appreciate the work of staff to bring this forward, an opportunity, really historic opportunity for the Filipino community in Vancouver. I'm also a resident of Vancouver, represent a riding in Vancouver resident. And just want to convey the appreciation. to Mayor and Council for considering for the support for building a Filipino Cultural Center in Vancouver, but also designating an interim Filipino Cultural Center space. Critical, appreciate the recommendation working with city staff with respect to Library Square, Vancouver Public Library. You know, we've communicated this to the Filipino community and broader community. There's excitement. There's appreciation. Folks know where it is and how to get there. And so it really represents, I think, a positive step forward. And, you know, I really can't say enough to convey the excitement and the appreciation. We've got a few speakers here for you, but could have had more lining out the door, but appreciate that you've had a very healthy and robust line of public speakers. So I've just got a few folks to speak in favour of what it means to them, what it means to the community, and plans for the community to come together, to have a physical space. I really can't emphasise that enough. Opportunity to... do programming, to have, you know, engagements, and to have discussions and planning with the broad community, Philippine community, and the broader community as well, in terms of, you know, efforts to build the cultural center. and also, you know, as we lay that foundation to move forward, so critical and key. And just in terms of, you know, what it means and really across the whole community, right? Like this is a, you know, an interim Filipino cultural center that will be open and welcoming to the whole community. Really, you know, I've always said 100% of the community is, you know, wants to see a Filipino cultural center. And so an opportunity to come together, to meet, to plan, to put some programming in place and really welcome the whole community, all of you as well, and the broader community as well to be part of that. So I'm in favor. I hope I can ask for your support. Very exciting and look forward to, yeah, just really continuing to build in support. Appreciate your support for the community, being through some challenges, but for coming together with your leadership, I think we've got more to contribute. So thank you very much.
Thank you, Mabel. Okay, now the remainder of the speakers. Speaker number one, Alina Vargas.
To the honorable city Councillors, esteemed leaders in the community, and especially to His Worship, Mayor Kensim, good morning. My name is Lina Vargas, and I am the founding president of the Diversity Inclusion Support Group of BC and a longtime resident of Vancouver. I would like to take this opportunity to recognize the hard work and dedication that this council has shown to our community. Your sensitivity to answer the voice of Filipino people made me so proud of you. For many years, the Filipino community has dreamed of a space where we can come together to celebrate our heritage and culture, welcome various groups and organizations, and unite our people as one family. The interim space announced by Mayor Ken Sim on June 6, 2026 at the Filipino Plaza inspires hope. On behalf of the Diversity Inclusion Support Group of BC, I am here to express my support for the recommendation and motion regarding the interim space. This space will enable us to cultivate a welcoming environment where we can showcase our collective talents in the arts, sports, cultural dances, and heritage, ultimately creating a lasting legacy for future generations. I also want to extend my sense of gratitude to our very own member of the Legislative Assembly, Speaker of the House, MLA Mabel Elmore, and the Filipino Legacy Society of BC for their dedicated efforts in making the future Filipino Cultural Community Center in Vancouver a reality. In the meantime, they have taken the initiative to secure the interim space provided to us by the city. Thanks for having us today as we work together to build a better city, a city that is inclusive and affordable to live in, and safe for all to enjoy their well-being. May your commitment to serving Vancouver's diverse community continue to grow. Thank you for being a part of our legacy. Thank you so much.
Thank you, Lena. Speaker number two, Jeanette Mujar.
Good morning, Mayor Kingston and councillors. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak today on behalf of the whole Filipino community in support of the motion to secure the interim space for the Filipino Community Center. I am Jeanette Muhar, resident of Vancouver, owner and founder of Jeanette's Design, board member of Diversity Inclusion Support Group of BC, and an appointed board of director of Bini Bini Filipinas World of BC. The Filipino community has been part of Vancouver's story for generations. We have contributed to the city's growth as healthcare workers, caregivers, educators, praise people, entrepreneurs, artists, and community volunteers. Today, Filipino Canadians are one of the largest and fast-growing communities in British Columbia. Yet, we still do not have a dedicated gathering place to call our own. A community center is much more than a building. It is a place where seniors can find connection instead of isolation, where newcomers can access support and resources, where our kids can celebrate their cultural identity, and where families can come together to learn, volunteer, and build lasting relationships. While we continue working toward a permanent Filipino community center, an interim space is an important and practical step forward. It allows programs and services to grow now, rather than waiting years for a permanent facility. It demonstrates the city recognizes both the needs and the contributions of the Filipino community today. This interim space would also benefit the broader Vancouver community. It could host cultural events, educational workshops, health and wellness programs, and celebrations that bring people from all backgrounds together. Vancouver is strongest when every community has the opportunity to share its culture and participate fully in civic life. Supporting this motion is an investment in inclusion belonging and equity. It reflects Vancouver's commitment to ensuring that communities with deep roots and significant contributions have the opportunity to thrive. I respectfully ask the Council to support this motion and help for the revision as well. Please help create the interim home for the Filipino community, a place where culture is preserved, connections are strengthened, and a future generation can take pride in their heritage while contributing to the future of our city. Thank you for your time, your leadership, and your consideration. Thank you. Mabuhay po.
Mabuhay. Well, right on three minutes. Thank you. Speaker number three, Maji.
Good morning, Mayor and Council. My name is Madge Yi, and I have the privilege of serving as Vice Chair of the Filipino Legacy Society. I am here today on behalf of the board members and the many members of the Filipino community to express our wholehearted support for the proposed interim community space and the tenant improvements that will prepare it for community use. Last December, Council demonstrated tremendous leadership by recognizing the importance of a Filipino cultural center and directing staff to identify an interim community space. Today marks a transition from vision to implementation, the first tangible milestone in bringing that vision to life. On behalf of the Filipino Legacy Society, I sincerely thank the mayor and council, the deputy city manager's office, real estate services, arts, culture, and community services, and the many staff who have worked diligently over the past seven months. Your collaboration and commitment have brought us to this important milestone. This space will provide opportunities for community consultations, cultural programming, partnerships, and intergenerational cooperation. While the Filipino Legacy Society will steward this space, our commitment is to ensure it remains welcoming, inclusive, and accessible to the broader Filipino community. We are also grateful for Council's consideration of the tenant improvement funding. These improvements will transform the space into a vibrant community hub where people can come together to learn, celebrate, collaborate, and build lasting connections. More than a space, it will become a place where our community grows stronger by working together. As someone who immigrated to Canada more than 42 years ago and has proudly called Vancouver home ever since, I know firsthand how meaningful it is to have a place where people feel they belong. I know the difference this space will make for today's generation and for future generations of Filipino Canadians. On behalf of the Filipino Legacy Society and the many community members who have supported this journey, we respectfully ask for your support in approving the interim community space and the tenant improvements as we take this important next step toward a permanent Filipino cultural space. Thank you. Maraming maraming salamat.
Also not on the line.
Speaker number six, Leilani Temening.
I'm on the line. Please go ahead.
Good morning, Mayor and Council. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak with regards to this motion. My name is Lailani Tumaneng, registered nurse and a school trustee of City of North Vancouver. I have lived in Vancouver since 1994, and up to this day, the Filipino community are still longing and dreaming of a community space where we can gather together and celebrate our culture. this motion will not only support the filipino community but other groups and cultures as well who are in need of a space in which they could use to celebrate their culture this is also in preparation of preserving educating and strengthening our communities for the future generations to come for all these important reasons i strongly support this motion I would like to thank everyone who came forward to support this motion, and thank you very much, Mayor and Council, for all your support for the Filipino community. Thank you.
Thank you very much. Speaker number seven, Concepcion Colabong.
Honorable Mayor Kensim, the City Council, the Filipino Legacy Society of Canada, Mabel Elmore, my colleagues, ladies and gentlemen, good morning. My name is Conception Ching Colabong, Board of Director and Advisor of the Seniors Intercultural Society of BC, resident of Vancouver for 44 years. On behalf of my organization, the Seniors Intercultural Society of BC, I am here to express our strong support for the motion and the recommendation of our interim space located in Vancouver for the Filipino Culture Center. In our mission in the Filipino community is to collaboratively create an inclusive and enriching space that nurtures heritage preservation, fosters intercultural unity, and celebrates community.
The Filipino community is the third largest ethnic group in British Columbia. The Filipino-Canadian deserve a dedicated, unifying space that is inclusive and accessible. Having said all this, I am ever grateful to Honorable Mayor Ken Sim, the City Council, and the Filipino Legacy Society of Canada for their initiatives in the recommendation of this interim space for our Filipino Community Center. We appreciate your ongoing efforts to build a more inclusive, diverse city. Thank you so much for your time, leadership, and commitment for ensuring that Vancouver remains a welcoming home for all cultures. Thank you so much.
Good morning, Mayor and Council. My name is Peter Dixon. I'm a Vancouver resident. I spent my career serving communities across British Columbia as a Vancouver-based medevac pilot and base manager, where I first saw the importance of bringing people together, particularly during times of challenge. The community is built through connection. It is strengthened when people have a place to gather, support one another, celebrate their heritage, and build relationships across generations. The interim community space before you today is much more than a lease. It is an opportunity to create a welcoming place where where the Filipino community can bring. That work now, while the permanent Filipino Cultural Center continues to move forward. I've watched the dedication of the volunteers behind this initiative. They have worked respectfully with the city staff, community organizations and government partners to reach this point. They're ready to take on the responsibility of making this space a success. I would like to thank council and city staff for bringing this opportunity forward, and I respectfully ask them to approve the proposed nominal lease and interim community space for the Filipino Legacy Society. Thanks so much.
Thank you very much. Speaker number nine, Mashiko Ansel.
Speaker 9 is not on the line. Well, that's the end of our speakers list. So I do want to thank everyone. We have to go through again.
Good morning, Mayor, members of council. and everyone joining today's meeting. My name is Noel Marfil, and I am a Vancouver resident. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak today. I'm calling to express my support to the Filipino Legacy Society's lease of Library Square. This motion builds on the commitments already made by the Library. by the mayor and council and i'm very happy to see it moving forward i strongly support this proposal for all the great reasons that the speakers before me have shared thank you for your time and for your consideration thank you very much speaker number five alan bernard fernandez not on the line
And then speaker number nine, Mashiko Anso.
No, not on the line.
Thank you very much. So that is the end of our speakers list. And I do want to thank everyone for coming in today and speaking and all of your work in the community. Would someone like to move a motion? Great. Councillor Dominato, seconded by Councillor Zhou. Council, is there any discussion?
Councillor Meiszner.
Yes, I'll be brief. I just want to thank all our speakers for being here today and for speaking so eloquently in support of this lease. I think that this is a fantastic location for you in the interim. It's downtown in the library. I mean, there's tons of people moving about. You'll have a lot of visibility, and I know that you'll be welcoming in everyone from the community, regardless of whether or not they're Filipino or not. So I'm really excited to come visit you, and I hope that you'll be cooking up some delicious Filipino food as well, as I'm sure that'll be part of the program. So I'm very supportive of this, and I'm excited to see it move ahead, and even more excited to see you move into your permanent space in the coming years. So thanks for being here. Thank you very much. Councillor Kirby Young.
Yeah, thanks, Mayor. I just want to acknowledge and appreciate all of our speakers for speaking but coming in person and for a council meeting that was held over for several days. And so I know that your time was fluid, but you felt it was very important your voices represented. And I believe that that is because... you recognize that this is a very important moment along the journey and the way towards realizing the long-awaited dream of a Filipino cultural center. And I think that having an interim space is reflective and speaks to keeping the dream alive. It's tangible. I think one of the speakers referenced that it's an opportunity. to continue to grow and build the community and involve people along that journey and towards the dream. And that's really important that people feel part of it. But it is also, I think it gives, it makes it tangible and it makes it real that it's actually happening. It's not a concept, but there is genuinely a path forward towards that. And so I'm really happy to support it. And nothing is more inspiring, I think, than community leadership for people that are doing something that will last beyond your own generation. I used to work with somebody that called it cathedral thinking. You know, sometimes people use the analogy of planting a tree or building the cathedral that will stand for generations, or you may not stand under the shade of that tree, but that is genuinely what you are doing. And so I just wanted to acknowledge that, and I know that this is a moment that people will talk about when the center is realized and they tell their community members and their kids and their grandkids the stories of how it happened. Thank you.
Thank you very much, Councillor Clausen. Yeah, I'll be brief, and I would also like to acknowledge everyone who came in and called in today to speak. I'm not surprised that folks have come in here. There has been a... a spirit of determination around having a dedicated Filipino cultural amenity in this city for quite some time, decades. And so we've been, it's been our pleasure to sort of be able, sort of sharing that journey and trying to kind of move things forward. And I am, I think that the space itself is going to be great, is going to be activated well. I think it will have the aromas of good food and also just of community. And so I think that, again, the ultimate goal is obviously a dedicated space in the city of Vancouver, but to have an interim space that we can pull up together really much more quickly for community to gather, for other parts of the city to join you. in celebration is something that i truly look forward to and i want to just thank you all for being such true champions for the community and in terms of trying to make this happen so thanks very much happy to support this thank you councillor dominato
Thanks, Mayor. And I'll echo the comments of my colleagues. And starting first, Mabel, you've been stalwart and really leading the charge on this. And so thank you for that, for your leadership. To all of you who spoke, thank you for being here and really making the commitment to voice. what this brings to the community. I think it's really important, as we've heard in the past, we have some established communities who already have their cultural centers in the city, and it means a tremendous amount to have that space to gather, to celebrate, whether it's cooking, as many of you alluded to, because apparently we're all thinking about food this morning. But... but also in celebration arts and culture. But really, it comes down to being about community. And I know that this has been a longstanding dream, desire to have a space where the community can come together. And so I think this is a great first step. And I think it is a fantastic location in terms of being accessible as well. It's on public transit. And so really happy to be part of this journey with you. And so congratulations. And I'll leave my comments there, Mayor.
Thank you very much. Councillor Fry.
Yeah, I just wanted to pipe in and offer my congratulations on this achievement. And as the council liaison to the Vancouver Public Library, I just want to also... acknowledge that this is a fantastic use of what was kind of an underutilized space. And the connection between libraries as this third space and a gathering place for people of all cultures and interests and a place for people to convene, the connection there is not lost on me. And I think it's a wonderful opportunity. And I hope that there is an opportunity to actually engage with the central branch and maybe even... see how you can coordinate some programming together and just sort of increase that visibility and connection and togetherness. So congratulations. And wow, this is happening quickly too. I just realized what the date is for occupancy. This is, I imagine we'll be seeing something happening very soon. Congrats.
Thank you very much. Okay. So I'm going to count the vote or call the vote now. A reminder that any council member participating virtually whose video is disabled will be marked absent for the vote pursuant to section 14.13 of the procedure bylaw. If we can please go to the voting panel.
And that passes unanimously. So congratulations.
Thank you very much and congratulations. Okay. So we are going to jump. Can we take a two-minute recess?
Thank you.
So before we begin, does anybody have a conflict that they need to disclose? Seeing none, this item does have a presentation. And we do have team members here to present the item.
Sure.
Seconded. Awesome. Any discussion? All in favor, say aye. All those opposed, say nay. Great. We will waive their presentation. I know it would have been fabulous. Thank you. Would the applicant like to make a presentation?
Okay. Well, council members, you have up to five minutes to ask questions of team members and the applicant. Are there any questions? Councillor Meiszner. Oh, sorry. I was on the queue to move, so thank you. I'm good. Please remove me. Would someone like to move a motion? Great. I think Councillor Domonato seconded that first. Council is nearing discussion. This is item number 12. Okay. Well, seeing that, I'm going to call the vote. Councillor Kirby-Young, we're good? We're good? We're good? Okay. I'm going to call the vote.
If we can please go to the voting panel.
And that passes unanimously.
So the next item is item number 14, because 13 was approved on consent. Before we begin the agenda item, any conflicts to disclose? No? Okay. This item, once again, has a presentation.
And we do have team members here to present, unless someone would like to waive the presentation. Councillor Zhou? seconded by Councillor Klassen. Councillor, is there any discussion?
Okay. All those in favour, say aye. Aye. All those opposed, say nay. One nay, and the rest are in favour. So we will waive the presentation. Would the applicant like to make a presentation?
Sorry, Mayor, I don't mean to interrupt. I just want, because we're moving quickly through these reports, and that up there says 1750 is up behind. Is that the correct one?
Yeah, so we just need to give our clerks, I think, a chance to update what items we're on.
Yeah. I'll slow it down a little bit. So we're so excited it's the last day.
Okay. So... We are on item 14, CD-1 rezoning, 1031 through 1039 Burnaby Street. We're all good? Okay, great. And move it to the main queue.
And we have the order of everyone in the question queue.
We're good? Okay. Thank you very much.
Council, my name is Donald Yen. I'm the architect for the project. At this point, no, I don't think we need to make a presentation. I'd just like to thank staff for working with them for the last two and a half years on this application.
Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay, council members, you have up to five minutes to ask questions of team members and the applicant. And there are questions. So, Councillor Dominato.
Thanks, Mary. Two questions to staff, noting the relaxations included around shadowing in exchange for social housing. Could you just comment on that further and the relaxations, the shadowing relaxations, what the impacts are for Davie Village? And then I have a second question after that. So start with that one. Thank you.
Good morning. Thank you for the question. Hiroko Kobayashi. I'm a senior development planner. So this project, we are anticipating creating approximately 10% of shadowing, which is under the policy we assess north side of the sidewalk, in this case between Bard Street to Thorough Street. And then under the policy, we assess on four equinox between 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. And then this project probably shadow between 1.30 to 4 p.m. So the proposed development is like a tower form. So the shadow shape is quite long and narrow. And so through the 1.30 to 4 p.m., approximately 10% of the shadowing we are expecting between this one block.
Okay. Thank you. I appreciate a little bit of that detail.
Thank you.
And I'm not sure if this may be a question for staff, but also for the applicant. I'm curious, with the secure 20% of the residential floor area for social housing, is there any contemplation of a particular demographic that's targeted for the social housing, or is it just generally... Capturing social housing under our definition of social housing and generally being kind of below market, a rental, but is there a particular group that we're looking to serve in the context of social housing, seniors, women with children, anything in that? Could you offer any additional information?
I'll just introduce Mr. Paul Squamish, who's part of our delegation over here as an applicant team.
Thank you.
It's a great question. We originally were working with Vancouver Resource Society and staff for the past two years. We're very excited about that as a potential opportunity for them to be the management of the non-market housing component. Staff then insisted that the non-market housing component be a separate airspace parcel, which means that they need to purchase that particular airspace parcel, which puts a lot more pressure. on the application from a financing perspective because they need that group needs to secure their financing and that needs to be time with the financing for the overall construction loan so we went back and asked staff if we could allow for us to broaden the scope to look at different non-marking housing applicants So not commit specifically just to VRS. Because if it was just to VRS, and they're a great operation, we have a lot of respect for them. In fact, we think the work that Ken and his group does are absolutely fantastic. But if they get to the point where they just can't get financing because they have too many projects, they have one in Coquitlam, another one in North Van or somewhere else, and they can't get financing, we'd be stuck with a rezoning application that specifically outlines the housing operator. So we asked the housing staff, which they supported, that we keep the application agnostic so that we could go out and work with any and all.
applicants and then come back and report back to city staff so right now we don't have an answer to that we're going to work to that but it's going to be very delicate to find the financing for that airspace parcel subdivision right okay that's helpful context particularly given that um the relaxations are being offered to accommodate that you know the social housing i think i think it's helpful to have that additional context um because it is difficult for um uh particularly for not-for-profits to finance these things so um i appreciate that thank you
Thank you, Councillor Frye. Yeah, similar questions and reflecting on this letter that we had received from VRS specifically on this project and their concerns about ensuring that the social housing component is intact. Can staff explain how, in the absence of an actual specific operator, this will be guaranteed as social housing? Is this through a covenant on the title?
Our housing staff online will answer that question. Thank you.
Thank you for the question, Councillor. Emily Brecker, Housing Regulation. So, yes, we will have a housing agreement on title requiring the social housing to be secured as social housing. And we also have a condition on title requiring a non-profit operator to be selected and for the social housing S-PACE password to be transferred prior to occupancy of the building.
Prior to occupancy. So, OK, and that gets around, I'm assuming, the financing issue? that the applicant was talking about? Okay. So maybe, and if I could just then, just to get some clarity with this. So through this, you're able to finance the project entirely, and then it doesn't involve the social housing not-for-profit financing it.
Would you like me to take a stab at answering?
Yeah, yeah. So it's a tall order that housing and planning staff came forward with, which was that in order for this project to move forward, there wasn't going to be a leasehold interest but a freehold interest of the airspace parcel. And we actually fully support that because non-market housing operators that can own their asset over time are generally going to be a lot more stable in the long run when they own their asset. The challenge becomes is that... that entity needs to come up with some form of equity and they need to come up with some form of debt. And that needs to coincide with the overall construction of the project. We can't have that one component, which is 20% component, hold back the entire development. So what the housing group has come up with is that they've mandated as part of the housing agreement, a condition that we have to have that as a condition. We need to come back and report back to staff with our housing operator and how this all works. And it is a tall order, Peter. It's one that we're going to need to figure out, especially in the current financing environment.
Okay. I appreciate the answer and appreciate the complexity on this. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.
My questions center mostly around the tenants that won't be able to have the TRPP relief. Only 27 out of 47 tenancies are eligible. I was wondering if staff could just remark on that.
We've got housing staff online. Thank you. Great. Thank you. Yes. So this was an or is an existing primary rental building. So we did receive kind of the standard rent roll that we asked for from the applicant to look at who is eligible and to be eligible. All tenants would have had to reside in the building for one year at the time of resigning applications. So we ran that assessment and the number of I think you said 27 eligible tenants. that is kind of based on the the time that they moved into the building okay and then for those 27 eligible what um will they have right of return will they be returning to the uh social housing component would that be the the hills component or the low end of market component Yeah, it will depend on the tenants themselves. So all tenants will have the right, or eligible tenants will have the right of first refusal either to one of the market rental units at the 20% discount or a social housing unit if they meet the eligibility requirements for their social housing. Okay.
That's all my questions. Thank you, Councillor Claussen. Yeah, thanks very much, Mayor. So I have some questions here, perhaps for staff. So when staff recommended the additional height and density, was it on the understanding that BRS communities would purchase and operate the social housing component?
Thank you for the question. Short answer is no. We actually don't have to get involved in the operator at this point. Effectively, the trade-off that staff looked at was in order for us to support from a staff recommendation shadowing on Davie that we look for commensurate public benefits. In this case, we offered the applicant two paths. One was BMR in accordance with the West End Community Plan, at which point they could have retained ownership of that. or they could provide social housing that's turnkey and owned and operated by a non-profit. The applicant elected for the latter, and that's what the proposal is for us today.
So based on that answer, presumably staff weren't aware that VRS communities intended to pursue senior government funding to deepen affordability?
We're aware of VRS's involvement and interest, but again, it's not up to staff to select that. If that's a partnership that the owner would like to pursue or VRS would like to continue to pursue after that, they're welcome to do so as well.
Okay. Did the city assess or place any limits on the purchase price of social housing units given that their value was created by the city's grant of additional height and density?
Real estate services staff is online and they can answer that question. Yes, hi, Adrian Thompson for Real Estate Services. The purchase price is limited to $565 a square foot. And at that level, we don't believe there's a land lift generated through this rezoning with social housing and the market rental.
Okay. I suppose for either our EFM or our planning staff here, what protections are in place to ensure the public benefit of the additional density is preserved? since the operator is no longer the nonprofit partner.
Our housing staff is online, and they've added a condition which ensures that a nonprofit operator and owner of the social housing airspace parcel is identified before occupancy permit issuance.
Okay. And does the city have any replacement nonprofit, any assurances that the replacement nonprofit will provide the same affordability, accessibility, and shared care programming that was proposed in the original proposal?
I'll refer to our housing staff online. Thanks. Thank you for the question, Councillor Emily Brooker. The social housing will be required to meet the social housing definition. So that's kind of to be owned by the non-profit and to meet a minimum of 30% of the units rented to households with incomes below hills. That's our standard social housing definition. So that's our minimum and we haven't set it above that. It's just been set our kind of standard requirements for social housing.
Okay. Maybe I'll sort of close out with this question. If the affordability outcomes or operating model are ultimately less than was contemplated when the application was originally evaluated, what mechanisms does the city have to require an equivalent public benefit?
I would like real estate services staff to answer that question.
Sorry, could you repeat the question?
Essentially, we're looking to see what mechanisms does the city have to require the equivalent public benefit given what has transpired is ultimately less when originally the application was being evaluated.
I don't believe there's another method of capturing the benefit. The project is not financeable. Probably the applicant would have to come back with a revised scheme, and then it would be reviewed again by real estate. Okay. I'll just jump in to supplement that as well. So the application has evolved over the review process, but as mentioned through my colleague online, staff are satisfied that the proposal before you today meets policy, that the CAC is appropriately determined and secured in the project for the social housing delivery.
Thanks very much. You know, I'll just state that I think that there's obviously some public benefit, and the project, I think, will be a strong one. But ultimately, we are providing additional density that really should be given towards that public benefit, and I'm sure that between the applicant and staff that we'll get to a very good place for that. Thanks very much. Councillor, we're out of time.
Thank you. Okay. Seeing no one else in the queue, would someone like to move a motion? Great. That was Councillor Blighth first, seconded by Councillor Claassen. Council, is there any discussion?
Seeing no one in the queue. Give it one more sec. Okay.
I'm now going to call the vote.
And that passes unanimously. That completes item number 14.
Okay, so item 15 was approved on consent. So item 16, we have CD-1 rezoning 8530 through 8550 Canby Street. Before we begin this agenda item, if anyone believes they have a conflict of interest, now is the time to declare it. Does anybody have a conflict? This item does have a presentation, and we do have team members here to present the item. Someone wants to waive it. Great. Councillor Bligh seconded by Councillor Meiszner. Any discussion? All in favour say aye.
Aye.
That passes. So thank you very much. Would the applicant like to make a presentation?
Okay. Council, you do have up to five minutes to ask questions. Are there any questions from team members?
Yeah, I just have a few questions on, you know, the site being near the transfer station and, you know, sort of what has been done around to sort of mitigate any concerns around noise, you know, potential obviously odor from the transfer station, traffic concerns with dumpsters pulling in and out of there, just general concerns around the proximity to that. Anything?
Good morning, Council. Matthew Young, Employment Lands Planner. We did require the applicant to hire a technical consultant to study the livability impacts from noise, odor, and vibration, and to identify any sort of mitigation measures. So those mitigation measures, for example, with the odor, the building siting, the installing sort of filtration systems on the air intake for the residential units, those are... being conditioned, those are requirements for the rezoning. Okay, thanks.
And then maybe a question for housing. Just a little bit on, I think maybe there was a similar application the other day, but on unit turnover rents in the below market units may be re-indexed to 10%, less the citywide average market rent by unit type. Just sort of for the public record, just to go over why that is.
Our housing staff will answer that question. Thank you.
Hello, Molly with Housing. I believe your question might be referring to the rental development relief program. This project did not come under that program. It was a negotiated CAC that got us to the 20% floor area at a 10% discount.
Right. No, I knew it wasn't under the relief program, but it sort of is a way to kind of... I wouldn't say mimic that, but sort of get to the same results of that program by negotiating the CAC?
Yeah, so the large sustainable site policy allows for the recognition of the diversity of these sites across the city and the different priorities. This one is an employment land site. And so as such, in order to support project viability, we worked with the applicant and negotiated this level of affordability, which housing supports.
I was just interested to know, will the existing interim bike lane on Canby Street along the frontage of the development be upgraded?
Yes. Yes, engineering has provided conditions that they'll be upgraded, required separated bike lane.
Great. And will there be any measures incorporated into the development to encourage residents to use the SkyTrain rather than driving or to at least facilitate that choice?
Yes, within the design of the proposal, there is a high street that bridges Marine Gateway 1 to Marine Gateway 2.
Right. Thanks very much.
Thank you.
Yeah, just a quick question on this project that I know that there were some very early discussions surrounding the fact that this was on employment categorized under the regional growth strategy as employment lands. I presume that all of that business in relation to Metro Vancouver is all clear and clean. We don't need to go back for any decisions, I assume.
Thank you, Council, for the question. Matthew Young, Employment Lands Planner. Again, this application qualifies for the Metro 200 meter clause, which allows residential unemployment land. So there is no need to redesignate the site to general urban. So Metro Vancouver Board does not need to approve this application.
Very good. Okay. And I just heard of it at a higher level. We've seen a Marine Gateway become this... rather substantial neighborhood expanding with obviously lots of density surrounding the Canada Line station. But it does lack for, I think, outdoor and community amenities in the area. Is it possible to sort of just touch upon how that will be ultimately addressed? Of course, I brought forward the motion to try and to have a pathway along the Kent Avenue. I don't think that's moving forward quickly right now, but I'm sort of curious where we're going to be able to sort of accommodate some of this population that's coming into that neighborhood over the long term.
Thanks, Councillor Klassen. My name is Tina. I'm a senior plan in the rezoning center. I think your question is related to outdoor space and interconnectivity. This site, while it's coming in under the 200-meter clause for the Metro Vancouver Regional Growth Strategy, it's also part of the marine landings policy updates. So this site and this surrounding area is captured in that policy, and that really emphasizes the importance of open space, interconnected open spaces, throughout the lower part of the Canby Corridor and through Marine Landing. So I think as new developments come forward, we anticipate a lot of new projects contributing to that as a form of a community amenity.
And just in, again, sort of thinking long-term here, is there going to be more available access to the waterfront on the Fraser River, for example?
I think so. I think through the marine landing policy updates, that is those, the pedestrian and bicycle connections through and around this area are anticipated. Also, I would add that there is open space on this particular site as well being offered for public access as well.
Okay. And I know that the major transit hub for the buses is going to be fully built out to that area there, which means that there's going to be not only a lot of buses going back and forth, but a lot of employees going back and forth. Are we going to make sure that pedestrian and other sort of traffic safety are kind of key in terms of how we develop that neighborhood?
Absolutely, yeah. I think that there is an intention for improvement of the bus barns area, which would imply more people, more buses, and through that, an opportunity to further enhance and upgrade safety and road networks.
Okay. Thank you. And no updates yet on any of the Kent Avenue rail right away at this time, right?
uh that i don't know um it's okay i can i can refer the question to engineering thank you very much okay thank you that's my question sir thank you very much counselor fry yeah um i mean this is a remarkably complex project there's a lot of heavy lifting that this project's doing with the context to industrial land and obviously housing and um Curious, and just lifting off some of Councillor Klassen's questions, how has the connectivity for, because it's not a very pedestrian-friendly area, it's not especially human-friendly right now, and so how does this expression kind of foster good planning and good connectivity for people as far as connecting to Marine Gateway number one and so forth?
Thank you for that question. I'm Mehdi Ainifar, the development planner.
The pedestrian access through that high street is one of the main features, I would say, to access and facilitate that walkability to the station and that surrounding amenities there. And there's also some improvements to the pedestrian interface along Canby with the industrial, small-scale industrial and the interface with Canby Street.
However, I do still acknowledge that the environment around it is quite industrial. And even though there's improvements, there's still going to be that feeling of an industrial area around it.
So... And further to that, where does the responsibility of the applicant to design some of this... And where does it begin with the city to meet them with some of that?
In terms of just pedestrian activity on site, the central muse is part of what's been required by the plan. And also the area surrounding the privately owned open space and the access to that. And that's all served by the applicant and maintained by the applicant. and there's SRW clauses as well.
It's publicly accessible, but privately owned, yes.
Right, okay. Great, and then just this is more of a broad question. Specific to the changes to this land use, I recall a few years ago we had a similar application just to the east of Marine Gateway on Marine Drive, or there was certainly some interest around that. Are we seeing a change as a result of new transit-oriented area legislation that's going to enable more of that kind of mixed development where it wasn't before?
Thanks, Councillor Frey. Yes, I would say absolutely. We're seeing this site being an opportunity for new development, especially in its co-location with the SkyTrain. But you're right. Yeah, we do see a lot of applications come forward along Marine, along Canby and Yukon, et cetera, in this area.
And when we, obviously this includes some industrial, and are we very, like how is the thought process to the inclusion of industrial and what kind of industrial it is that is conducive to human habitation?
Matthew Young, Implement Lands Planner. So this site being in South Vancouver, you know, it's one of the few industrial areas that have sort of large parcels. It's located close to transportation corridors like YVR and Delta Port. It makes it very strategic for those kind of large format last mile distribution centers. And that is the intent of the applicant for the ground floor industrial to be those kind of tenants. With respect to the co-location, the Vancouver Building By-law does allow for co-location, but it depends on the hazard level of the industrial uses. So normally heavy industrial uses such as like heavy manufacturing is not allowed to be co-located with residential, but medium hazard industrial, for example, warehousing can be co-located. uh with residential subject to uh vancouver building bylaw mitigations and that's why uh early on in the rezoning process we actually require the applicant to retain a building code consultant to actually work with dbl our building reviews branch and vancouver fire rescue services to make sure that whatever they're proposing actually makes sense it's safe um and yeah and it still retains that functional industrial space while allowing for that safe and liberal residential
And when we talk about last mile distribution and the operational side of that, obviously a lot of this is moving into 24-hour space. Do we contemplate how that integrates with people's life?
Yep. And that's why we asked the applicant to actually retain a noise and acoustic consultant to make sure that the noise levels are acceptable and to propose any mitigation measures that would address those impacts.
Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay. Would someone like to move a motion? Great. Councillor Fry, uh, seconded by Councillor Klassen. Council, is there any discussion?
Councillor Meiszner? Yeah, thanks.
I'll be quick. Um, I am very supportive of this project. I think, um, it's a great project. It's never really made sense to me previously how, uh, Marine Gateway, which is a really successful community, um, just to the North, um, was able to be built. Uh, and, and this wasn't, and I know that, um, there's been some policy shifts and different things that have happened that have allowed this to come forward. But this is an ideal location, I think, for 1,000 units of rental housing right next to the Canada line, 20% of below market, child care facility, senior center, two levels of industrial, so really replacing what's there, and just adding housing on top of that, which I'm supportive of. So... I'm excited to see this move forward, and I think that it's going to help complete that community at Marine Drive Canada Line. There's going to be a pedestrian bridge that connects from the existing shopping area that's there to this new development. So I just think this is a great thing to see happening at this station, so I'm fully in support. Thanks. Thank you, Councillor Claston.
Yeah, just really quick as well, echoing a bit of what Councillor Meiser just said, very supportive of this project. But if you could tell by the nature of my questions, we are very quickly building a brand new neighborhood that abuts our industrial land, our heavy industrial, and I mean in terms of warehousing, truck use, and what have you. And so livability is at risk if we don't think about how we're going to be able to support You know, thousands of new residents are going to be coming into a neighborhood who simply want to go for a walk at night or ride their bikes in place or go for an evening jog. This is a place that's not terribly conducive to that, and I know that the long-term planning for the Kent Street transfer station is to move it, and ultimately that will add to some of the, I think, overall sort of quality of life in the area. But the... The considerations that staff and City Hall really needs to think about is over the long term how we make sites like this a part of a more complete neighborhood, and that's why... Ultimately, when we look at things like the Kent Avenue Rail right away as potentially being an active transportation pathway to connect both people going to work and also just recreating in the community. And again, we're sort of pushing the boundaries here a little bit, but this is a decision that I'm happy to support and look forward to seeing this neighborhood evolve. We'll always be keeping one eye on how we make it improve the livability of Marine Gateway over the long term. Thanks very much.
Yeah, as I stated earlier, this really is a remarkable project that does a lot of heavy lifting. I mean, it's 1,000 units of rental housing with 20% below market. The senior center, the daycare center, the park, it is quite remarkable. And the connectivity to the existing shops and services at Marine Gateway obviously is going to be a great asset. to the new residents, but also to support those businesses at Marine Gateway. I do think that, you know, and to Councilman Classen's point as well, I think that there is some broader thinking around what the area planning for this part of town is going to look like, ultimately, because I think that, you know, as we start to evolve the amount of density that we're seeing here, it will require a little bit more placemaking and a little bit more thoughtful kind of considerations around how this is a community beyond just the confines of the actual built form, but how it extends into the streets and neighborhoods and all those other pieces that make communities work. But really, it's a big deal, and it's funny that we sort of just slide these in now without a big public hearing or a big foo-for-all, but this is a pretty significant project, and I'm happy to support it. Thank you very much.
Okay, I'm now going to call the vote. If we can please go to the voting panel.
That passes unanimously. And that completes item number 16. That was 16. Thank you. Okay.
So... We do have a request to vary the agenda. So our team members have requested that council consider reports 25 and 26 before the break today. The rest of the reports would be dealt with in the regular order of business. Would someone like to move a motion to vary the agenda to consider reports 25 and 26 immediately? I think Councillor Dominato seconded by Councillor Misner. A reminder that the motion requires two-thirds support. All those in favour say yay. Yay. All those opposed say nay. That passes with the required majority, and council will now consider reports 25 and 26. Okay, so item 25, rezoning 906 through 982 West 18th Avenue, 907 through 975 West 19th Avenue, and 3403 through 3415 Laurel Street. commonly known as 966 West 18th Avenue, the Belfort Block. Before we begin this agenda item, if anyone believes that they have a conflict of interest, now's the time to disclose it. Not seeing anyone's hands up. This item does have a presentation, and we do have team members here to present the item.
My name is Oscar Erickson, and I'm the rezoning planner for this rezoning application at 906 to 982 West 18th Avenue, 907 to 975 West 19th Avenue, and 3403 to 3415 Laurel Street, also known as the Balfour Block.
The site shown in red is located just east of Oak Street, between Laurel Street, 18th and 19th Avenues. The surrounding neighborhood consists of single detached houses and to the west, low-rise rental buildings along Oak Street. The site is located 900 meters south of the future Oak VGH SkyTrain station and is currently occupied by 17 rental duplexes constructed in the 1950s. There are tenants on site eligible for protection under the Tenant Relocation and Protection Policy.
Land use and height are consistent with the residential low-rise generalized land use designation of the Vancouver Official Development Plan. This designation supports a range of residential tenures up to six stories. The southeast corner of the site is proposed as public open space and is consistent with the park and open space designation of the ODP.
The site is located within the Canby Corridor plan area and is identified as a unique site. The plan anticipates a mix of townhouses, low-rise and lower mid-rise buildings with 25% of the net new rental floor area to be below market rental units. It also calls for integrated public open space and seeks to secure a childcare facility on the site. While the site does meet the site's threshold for the rezoning policy for sustainable large developments, given the project is seeking to rezone to lower density through district schedules, there are limited opportunities to land this policy on the site. Staff worked with the applicant to ensure the delivery of rental housing and the retention of the park at the southeast corner, in part responding to the objectives of the city's policies.
TO PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND, THIS REZONING APPLICATION FOLLOWS A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED CD1 REZONING APPROVED AT PUBLIC HEARING IN 2022 AND ENACTED IN 2024. THE 2022 APPROVAL CHANGED THE ZONING FROM RESIDENTIAL RT2 TO CD1 AND INCLUDED A COMPREHENSIVE PROPOSAL WITH 51 STRATA UNITS, 58 STRATA TITLED TOWN HOMES AND 99 RENTAL UNITS, INCLUDING 25 UNITS OF BELOW MARKET HOUSING. THE PROPOSAL ALSO SECURED A 570 SQUARE METER PUBLIC PARK AND A 37 SPACE CHILD CARE FACILITY.
THE REZONING APPLICATION BEFORE COUNCIL TODAY SEEKS TO REVISIT THE 2022 REZONING AND ITS SUBSEQUENT ENACTMENT. The applicant has indicated that due to changing market conditions, the existing zoning with its secured public benefits is no longer economically feasible. The applicant is now seeking an alternative way to move the project forward and has identified this proposal as a viable option. Should the current proposal be approved by Council, previously secured public benefits such as the childcare facility and below-market rental housing will be foregone.
The applicant is proposing to subdivide the site and rezone to standard zoning districts. Lot 1, here shown in yellow, would be rezoned to our R2B district, allowing for a six-story rental building. And lots 2 to 20, here shown in purple, would be rezoned to R11, each permitting a four-unit multiplex development under fee-simple ownership. PARCEL AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE WILL BE CONVEYED TO THE CITY FOR USE AS A PUBLIC PARK. THIS PARCEL WILL BE REZONED TO A CITY ONE DISTRICT LIMITED TO PARK USE. staff note that the park secured under the previous proposal was larger at 570 square meter compared to the park parcel secured under this proposal at 375 square meters. As the enactment of the 2022 rezoning reflected the park commitment in the ODP, staff also note that although this park is smaller than illustrated in the ODP, it still meets the intent of securing a public park on the site. Administratively, the city will undertake a land exchange. The city frontage lands, being a city-owned seven-foot-wide frontage strip along 19th Avenue, shown in the diagram within a purple dashed line, will be exchanged for the park parcel. A service lane is required for the planned multiplex developments, and the lane will be secured through a dedication.
Architectural drawings are not submitted for a standard district rezoning. Instead, the form of development is reviewed at the development permit stage. The RR2B and R11 district schedules set out the expectations for the built form that can be anticipated.
In order to facilitate the earlier delivery of the RR2B rental building and lane, and to minimize disruption to tenants, the rezoning process will occur in two phases. In Phase 1, the developer will develop the land north of the lane. Once the Stage 1 building permit for the RR2B rental building is issued and all other associated conditions are satisfied, the developer can proceed to Phase 2, which includes conveyance of the park to the city and development of the lot south of the lanes. To conclude the process, the current City 1-884 will be repealed together with the public benefits secured at that time.
A virtual Q&A period was held, and in total, 88 pieces of correspondence were received. Support was expressed for the addition to the housing stock, the proposal's improved neighborhood fit, the proposed lower density, and the housing options that the proposal offers.
Concern was expressed for tenant displacement, the loss of the previously secured public benefits, building height, and impact to neighborhood character. In response, staff note that the applicant is required to provide tenant compensation based on length of tenancy, support finding interim housing, and their right to return to the new rental building at existing rents. Further, the proposed rezoning would result in a lower overall density compared to the previous proposal. While this change results in a reduction of the previously secured public benefit, it continues to secure a public park for the community. The proposed six-story rental building will comply with the RR2B district schedule. This zoning framework was created through a comprehensive citywide policy process designed specifically to guide the development of new rental housing across Vancouver, ensuring consistency, predictability, and compatibility with the city's broader housing goals. I also note that the anticipated form of development under this proposal reflects a reduction in density, thereby providing a smoother and more compatible transition to the surrounding single detached houses in the immediate area.
With the application approved, the project is expected to provide a total of 2.7 million in DCL contributions. It would also deliver approximately 90 market rental units and secure a public park.
In conclusion, this proposal is consistent with the ODP and delivers the replacement rental housing and public park identified in the Canby corridor plan. However, it falls short in delivering a childcare facility and the below market housing component originally anticipated. Staff have worked closely with the applicant to arrive at the viable proposal and while recognizing the reduction in public benefits are bringing this application forward for council's consideration. Staff recommend approval subject to conditions outlined in Appendix B. Staff and the applicant team are available to respond to any questions. Thank you.
Good morning, Mayor and Council. My name is Evan Lewis. I'm Senior Director of Development with West Group Properties. As you heard, we were asking for council to approve a reduction in density to this site. The application voluntarily reduced the allowable density by approximately 80,000 square feet, a reduction of roughly 40%. In its place, we envision a 95-unit rental building under RR2B, together with 20 front and back duplexes under R11 zoning. This form is consistent with the official development plan and, importantly, is highly consistent with the character and scale of the surrounding neighborhood. This decision was not made lightly. Following approval of the previous higher density rezoning, West Group made good faith efforts at significant cost to advance that scheme. We developed and submitted development permit and building permit drawings for all phases, paid the associated fees, and advanced the process to the point that many of those permits were issuable. We even leased out, built out, and furnished a nearby sales center, which is currently sitting unused. As we did that work, market conditions deteriorated. We ultimately saw no viable path to deliver the approved scheme at a revenue that could support its cost. Current application is our response, multifamily rental housing and ground-oriented duplex housing that we believe there is genuine market demand to support. Because we were giving up substantial density, the project economics no longer support the in-kind child care facility and below-market housing that were tied to the larger CD1 proposal. However, the revised proposal still conveys a parcel of green space to the city for a future park at the corner of Laurel and 19th Avenue. Perhaps most importantly, tenant protections and eligibility remain unchanged in this new application. Every eligible household retains the same benefits as under the prior proposal, including the right to return to the new building, their existing rents, financial compensation, and coverage of moving expenses. Tenant eligibility has been determined in collaboration with and confirmed by housing staff. During the previous public hearings, some tenants expressed that communication from West Group had been inadequate. Although staff confirmed that we had met and exceeded the communication requirements of the tenant relocation and protection policy, we sought to improve our communication with tenants. We held two in-person meetings at Hillcrest Community Center, one in November 2022 and one in May 2024, attended by members of the tenants group, senior housing staff, and our team. Based on feedback that we received at the November 2022 meeting, we began issuing regular project updates to eligible tenants. Since 2022, we have issued 12 written letters advising those tenants of the status of redevelopment efforts. We also retained a new independent tenant relocation consultant, Shauna C. Luke, who I believe is on the call. Every eligible household has been contacted individually and offered ongoing relocation planning and housing search support. Eligible tenants have been advised that relocation is not required at this time as no notices to end tenancy have been issued. And throughout, we have maintained transparent communication about the project status, timeline changes, and current market conditions.
Just to summarize and close, West Group acquired this property in 2015 with the intention of developing duplexes. We were advised that an application would not be accepted at that time due to the Canby Corridor Phase 3 planning program, which did not complete until May 2018. From there, we advanced through the full rezoning process, including a letter of inquiry process, ultimately securing not only approval in principle, but also enactment, only for market conditions to shift before we could proceed. Current application offers a realistic, deliverable path forward, less density, housing that fits the neighborhood, a future city park, and all tenant protections remain fully intact. For these reasons, we respectfully urge Council to approve the application. I'd be pleased to answer any questions, and also I'd like to thank rezoning staff for their excellent work on this application. Thank you.
Thank you very much. Council, you have up to five minutes to ask questions of team members and the applicant. Councillor Meiszner.
Yeah, thanks. First question is for the applicant around the park. I noted the park has been reduced in size. I'm just curious as to why you want to position it on the corner of Laurel and 19th as opposed to maybe somewhere in the middle of the site.
Yeah, the reason for that is because that was the previous location of the park, which was consistent with the Canby Corridor Plan. In the unique site section of the Canby Corridor Plan for the site, it contemplated either a linear park going through the middle of the site, which will now have a city lane, or the corner of Laurel and 19th. So that was really the rationale for that.
Okay. And the linear park previously contemplated, was that larger than this parcel?
We didn't proceed with the linear park. We had initially proposed a linear park through the middle of the site. At urban design panel, they asked us to do the corner park instead. The Canby quarter plan contemplated sort of one or the other. Okay. And so, yeah, we did not propose a linear park in the previous application.
Okay. Thanks for that. I think Josh is going to provide more info.
I JUST WANT TO ADD MORE COLOR ON THE LOCATION OF THE PARK. IN CONVERSATION WITH PARK STAFF ALSO WE DID TALK ABOUT THOSE DIFFERENT OPTIONS WITH THE PARK. ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF IT BEING ON THE CORNER ADJACENT TO THE STREET IS THAT FUNCTIONALLY IN DESIGN THEY CAN COMBINE THE PRIVATE PARCEL WITH THE BOULEVARD SPACE TO EXPAND THE FUNCTIONAL USE. of that park space. And so that's, that's why we ultimately landed on that corner location.
Okay. So it kind of makes it seem bigger or it is bigger because it'll have the sidewalk area. Correct. Okay. Okay. Thanks for that. Appreciate that. And then my other question was for, I guess, probably the applicant as well. What's a front and back duplex? I don't know what that is. Is that a multiplex? Is that a four?
No, it's a duplex. So we'll have two units.
Okay.
The access just basically divided in half so that one has the front yard and one has the backyard. So just a sort of traditional duplex that you would see on a 33-foot lot.
Okay. And what's the square footage of these units?
It's 0.7 of roughly 4,030 square feet, which the mental math I'm not great at.
Like under 2,000 square feet? Yeah.
Per unit?
Yeah.
Yes.
So larger, larger family size. Three bedroom units. Yeah. Okay. Okay. That's it for me. Thank you. Thank you. Uh, counselor or.
Yeah, definitely have some concerns around the loss of BMR and the tenants that won't be eligible. So obviously some tenants have moved in since 2021. That's a long time, five years. Is there nothing that is, or maybe is it part of the TRPP review in terms of some sort of... thing where this is re-triggering like a review of the tenants. If nothing is done in five years, these people now are part of the neighborhood, part of the community, feel close to their neighbors and now won't get any of those protections. Is there anything in the TRPP review that is going to address this?
Thank you, Councillor, for the question. We will relay that question to our housing team to answer.
Councillor Dan Garrison, Director of Housing Policy and Regulation. I mean, certainly one of the key points of our long-term review for the TRPB is going to be to look at anywhere there are gaps in support and consider whether there are ways to fill those gaps. So that's certainly something we would be looking at.
Okay, that's good to know, but I guess that doesn't give these people any sort of comfort.
Yeah, it would be difficult to retroactively apply it to an existing application.
I'm glad that it's going to be looked at in the future. Do we know how staff are communicating with those tenants in terms of what the process looks like?
For people who may find this relocation very difficult, even if they don't comply with the TRPP, are we still in contact with them? Are we still talking to them about their options?
Thank you, Councillor, for the question. I'm Mel Norton, Housing Policy and Regulation. City staff have responded to questions from tenants through Shape Your City and through email and telephone. The applicant has been providing regular updates to tenants, quarterly updates, and key project milestones. Okay.
And then this is kind of probably a difficult question to answer on the spot, but I mean, what percentage of new rental units would be affordable to households earning Vancouver's median renter income?
That's a good question. Can I get back to you on that one?
Yeah, for sure. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, a question about the childcare facility. Is it just sort of being completely dropped or is there any sort of replacement site being looked at or, you know, something through the CAC, anything like that? Is it just gone?
Thank you for the question, if I understood that correctly. So if council were to consider this proposal and approve it, and if the applicant were to move forward with enactment, the daycare would no longer be at this location. We'd have to look for other locations within the Canby corridor to locate an additional daycare.
That's unfortunate.
Again, so, yeah, some questions on the park. It shrunk from 566 to 374. I know Councillor Meiszner asked some questions around that. So that means it still meets the ODP's intent. And then also as a follow-up question, if the park board was consulted in sort of losing park space.
Seeing nods.
Thank you for the question. Real quick and short answer is, yes, we do believe it's consistent with the intent of the ODP to locate a park at this location with some of that minor flexibility. We wanted to make sure the public was aware of that, so we consulted on that through the process, too, and it's reflected in the report. We did work very closely with park board staff. I don't believe park board staff are here at this meeting today, but I do understand that they did coordinate internally at parks as well.
Okay. Again, just sort of around the process of how this is sort of referred, rather than being, you know, like a public hearing, you know, this is not consistent with the Canby Corridor plans below market target. The park and childcare commitments as well aren't being carried forward.
Why is this being recommended as approved in principle? and not, you know, either refer to a public hearing or even like sort of, you know, further revisions back to staff?
Thank you for the question. So in terms of whether or not there's a public hearing, the test is compliance with the official development plan. So lower densities are permitted in the low-rise designation. So from a use perspective, it's compliant. I'm sorry, we're out of time. Thank you. But Councillor Maloney?
I'm very happy for you to complete that question.
Thank you very much. So just to conclude as well, so if it's consistent with the ODP and predominantly residential, we're prohibited from having a public hearing, which is why we're in this forum today. Despite the CAMBI plan seeking to have both low and mid-rise options on the site, that is policy kind of guidance direction for the unique site, but we're here today to consider the alternative proposed by the applicant too.
Thanks. And I'd like to ask, A couple of questions of the applicant. Obviously the loss of the below market housing and the childcare and the density is very disappointing. Was there thoughts towards selling the site and how possible was that?
selling the site for another group to execute on the previous CD1. I suppose there was some thought of it, but our belief was that if a group like ourselves with the expertise and capability to execute a project like that found that it was not viable, it was very unlikely that another group was going to come to a different conclusion.
Thanks. That's very helpful. And with these changes, is it likely that the project, as the revised project, will proceed any time soon?
Yes, we believe so, and we've been developing development permit drawings for the first phase of duplexes and the rental building with the intention of submitting those soon after this if the application is approved. Thanks. Thanks very much.
Yeah, thanks very much. I just wanted to verify reading through related to the tenants, and this is for the applicant. It seems to me that with the 2022 rezoning approval, tenants came in, and my assumption, Evan, is that they sort of knew that it was an act of rezoning, and then there would be... potentially a future rezoning. So as opposed to, I guess, how transparent with you were you with those tenants when they took occupancy that they knew that there was an active rezoning?
Yeah, I appreciate that question. They were certainly aware of it. And in fact, their tenancy agreement included an addendum that explicitly and specifically identified it as a redevelopment site, which they acknowledged. It also included an acknowledgement that the rent that they're being charged is less than what it would be at market in recognition of the fact that it's a redevelopment site.
Well, that was going to be my second question. So thank you for answering that. And they have the ability to move back in. As part of the phasing, it looks like there's an opportunity for tenants to sort of move back in or sort of the disruption to the tenants is less because of the phasing approach.
That's correct, yes. And there's a condition housing staff can speak to about providing a tenant disruption plan as well. In other words, a plan to minimize disruption to tenants.
Okay. The lots two through nine, can you just clarify, will they all be fee simple? Yes.
And the rental will be in lot one, the RR2B? Correct. Yeah. recognizing that the proposed park is a community benefit. How did you decide, or how was it, and maybe staff will want to comment on this, just the trade-off with the child care, the opportunity with child care, given that there are parks close by. I just wonder, did it come down to the mathematics of the deal itself? You know, yeah, I'd just like to better understand, because child care, of course, especially with family-oriented units like this, would just be an absolute game-changer, I would suggest. And so I'm disappointed to see that it's not continuing, but I'd like to understand more as to why.
Yeah, so I guess to... put it briefly, the project economics just couldn't support it. So there was not enough lift to support delivering a childcare. The park we were able to do, there's obviously a land exchange, which Oscar alluded to where, you know, our site will be gaining a portion of the South, like a seven foot strip along the South portion of the property line in exchange for that, that park area.
Okay. Can I hear from staff as well in terms of how council can support continue to focus and target for childcare and what would have been required on this site. Hypothetically, we can, I'm okay to sort of speak in general terms, but I just want to understand because, yeah, there's a trade-off here and it's a decision to be made. And we do have the ability to ask for childcare, but we just need to know what the ask would actually be.
Thank you for the question. So again, the application before us doesn't include it. The previous one that enacted did. Our review supported the applicant's points just made that there isn't enough lift to compel it through a CAC process, which is our typical way of securing an in-kind amenity on a project. So in the absence of that, the only other alternatives are to look through other partnerships, other land opportunities, other co-location opportunities, and look to our PBS public benefit strategy within the Canby plan to find other options that might be within the geographic area. But it isn't currently proposed within this project.
Okay. All right. I'll leave it there. Thanks.
Thank you very much. Okay. Would someone like to move the motion?
Councillor Claassen, thank you. Councillor Domonato seconded. Council, is there any discussion?
Councillor Bligh?
Yeah, thanks very much. I appreciate the process that has been undertaken by our staff and the applicant over many years to get to this point. I'll just speak... Very briefly on it. I think it's the kind of density that we are looking for in this area, dental density, as well as the rental opportunity on the RR2B lot or lot one with the RR2B. I'm going to support this. I think that the tenant disruption is definitely worthy of consideration. I do feel comfortable that there has been enough done at this point, and I hope that through the phasing, the tenant's disruption will be managed. You know, I don't think it can be understated. We know that our city... is lacking rental housing. We know that increasing rental housing allows tenants to have more options. At this time in 2022, there wasn't a lot of rental housing. There is a lot more now, but it's whether or not it's affordable. And so I can appreciate that the tenants themselves here likely had to make their own personal decision about whether or not to take less expensive rent. more deeper affordability with a shorter term window in terms of how long they would be able to stay there and those conversations and considerations I think are individual choices and circumstances so that I think is a considerable difference we talked about a project yesterday that had massive tenant disruption with no heads up and it's a very different situation so I feel comfortable supporting this, but I'll just say for the record that I think that we need to be figuring out how to make sure that there is enough lift to deliver child care. We just are going to suffer greatly in our city if we continue to increase housing without an accommodation for some sort of child care and where the opportunity comes. is in partnering with the province to deliver $10 a day childcare. And the more spaces we have available for publicly supported childcare as opposed to privately owned and operated, then we have a plan in place. And again, I think that there's a strong economic imperative to provide affordable childcare and the long-term vision for our city. So I'll continue to raise that should I continue to get the chance. So I am happy to support this project today and I appreciate the work that's gone into making it happen and recognizing that tenants need to be supported as human beings, families that are dealing with disruption. And I ask and trust that that will be the approach that's taken. So I'm happy to support this today. Thanks.
Thanks, Mayor. I do think that we don't often get a proposal that comes forward that asks for reduced density, but I will say what I do like about this proposal, it's refreshing, I think, for people to see a mix of tenures on the site and a mix of building forms. And I think that makes for an interesting city, and I think it's what people are looking for in addition to sort of tower fatigue, if I can call it that, to be able to see... some diverse choices and some ground-oriented housing, and it's great to have sort of rental and ownership options alongside. I actually do really support the fact that the public amenity that was retained was the park. in terms of the green space because, and while it may be a bit smaller, I think it's really important that people have room to breathe in an increasingly densifying city. And we hear that a lot. And so, yes, we need larger sort of parks that do a lot of hard work. And, you know, you have your larger ones where people can go and... Play ball and do other things but sometimes I just want a quiet space to kind of take a break could take a minute and having those sort of smaller footprint or pocket parks Are very much valued. There's another one not too far from here that the city had advanced as well In conjunction with a bike lane and it used to be a single-family home and these things are loved and used in the respective neighborhoods So for me, I think that's an important one. That's the one amenity that the city can on our own. I think we have refocused our childcare policy in terms of looking at what the city can enable realistically within the economic constraints. And we've done a lot, this council, in terms of advancing that and moving regulations forward. But we also recognize that we need to focus on sort of a lot of the livability issues and the key amenities and neighborhoods. So I think for me that this landed on the right amenity. I'm really happy to see that piece. And I do appreciate the clarity that the tenants that have moved in have done so with eyes wide open in terms of sort of choosing that particular living situation at that point in time. So, yeah, I'm happy to support it, and I appreciate staff walking through it. Thanks.
Yeah, thanks very much. Just a few brief comments here. So, you know, we realize that this project has come back and there has had some, I think, some practical decisions needed to be made. And as Councillor Corbett-Young says, the mix of building forms, I think, will really lend itself very well to this area. I actually really love the fact that the park will be along Laurel Street and 19th. The first home my wife and I purchased was about two blocks away from here. I remember when our daughter was first born, she was a little cranky. We had to do late night walks with the baby stroller around Douglas Park and it would be down Laurel Street. And it was a nice leisurely stroll down there. And always, I think that this will be a really great fit for this area. You know, we're talking about building stock there that is about three quarters of a century old. So it was time for some renewal there. There has been attention to tenant displacement, which I think is obviously non-negotiable for this council. And I also wanted to just note that this is quite close to the expanding Vancouver General Hospital campus. And we know that Housing for all workers at that facility will be really important, including a lot of the service staff that I think would probably find a great place to live and potentially raise a family there. So anyway, just look forward to seeing this move forward, and I think it's a great fit for this neighborhood. Thanks very much. Thank you, Councillor Orr.
Yeah, thanks. I was just wondering if staff had an answer on the question around if, yeah, for median income, if they can afford the market rental units in this building.
Yes, thank you for the opportunity to look into your question, Councillor Mel Norton, Housing Policy and Regulation. So based on 2025 rental data, average market rents in the west side of the city where the site's located are between $2,000 for a studio and up to $4,800 for a three-bedroom unit. This serves incomes between approximately $80,000 to $195,000 gross household income. Median renter household incomes based on 2021 census data citywide are between $40,000 for individuals to $162,000 for families. I will also note that eligible tenants have the right to return other existing rents.
Yeah, it is persuasive to me that... we face a choice of having a variety of low-rise family housing or no housing at all here, realistically. And it is extremely disappointing to lose the childcare. And the reality appears to be that no matter how we vote on this, there is no possibility of childcare and the city needs to do everything it can to make sure that we... facilitating as much childcare as possible because there's a desperate need. Unfortunately, this is so disappointing because the principal way we get new childcare spaces for families in Vancouver is through new developments. So this is a real blow, but I'm going to support it because I do want to see family housing built on this site rather than no development at all. And that's a choice that we face here.
Thank you very much. Seeing no one else in the queue, I'm going to call the vote. If we can please go to the voting panel.
And that passes with Councillor Orr in opposition. And that completes item number 25.
Okay, we will now move on to item 26, or 26. Closure and exchange of portions of road adjacent to 961 West 19th Avenue. Before we begin this agenda item, if anyone believes they have a conflict of interest, now is the time to declare it. Does anyone have a conflict of interest to disclose? This item does not have a team member presentation.
Recommendation moved. Seconder? Seconded by Councillor Kirby-Young. Thanks very much. All right.
Okay. All right. Clerk, please take us to the voting panel.
Mayor Sibb is absent for this vote.
That's our pride There you go, okay Very good. Okay, so that passes with Council or in opposition. All right My notes here. Are we going back to 18? Okay. We are going back to CD report 18 cd1 rezoning 8 4 2 7 to 8 4 8 3 can be Street this was item was held by councillor or Before we begin this agenda item, if anyone believes they have a conflict of interest, now is the time to declare it. Does anyone have a conflict of interest to disclose? This item has a presentation. We have team members here to present the item, unless, of course, council chooses not to see the presentation.
Okay. Second. All those in favor? Any opposed? Okay. So we will waive the presentation, and we have team members here. I'm sorry.
Would the applicant like to make a presentation?
Okay.
Hi.
Okay. Thank you. My name is Andrew Tong. I'm the owner's representative for the Robert Lee family. We've worked with staff on this project to deliver a residential tower directly across from the Marine Gateway Skytrain. And we just want to thank the planning and city staff, Joshua, Templer, Armin, Oscar, Dan Garrison, and Casey Peters, and other staff who have helped, and we've worked collaboratively with them. first through their innovative pilot project letter inquiry process and then the rezoning application. And so our project team is available online and to answer any of your questions.
Okay, thanks very much. Council members, you have up to five minutes to ask any questions of team members and the applicant. Are there any questions? Councillor Orr.
Thank you. Yeah, similar to the previous sort of sites that we talked about on Canby, this is a growing area and, you know, it's a big development. I just want a little bit of clarity around... Reducing the amount of units, you know, that it doesn't sort of fit the 20%. It's actually only 17%. Just walk me through sort of some of those difficulties to delivering the full 20% in terms of social housing delivery, I guess. And yeah, I really just want some more sort of insight into the 17% versus 20%.
I could take that question or...
Okay, so maybe I'll start, and if staff have further comments. So we did do an extensive review with real estate finance and planning, which confirmed that the project was not financially viable at 20% social housing. Even under the current conditions, neither 17% or 20% is financially viable. 17% was proposed as a better fit for the design floor plate so that we could stay within the five-story podium. However, marketing conditions, including construction costs, need to improve before the project is actually financially viable.
I want to second the comment from the applicant here and also offer the floor to anybody of my other team members if they want to speak. Thank you. That's not my question.
Thanks very much. Okay. Seeing no. Yeah. Move by and seconded by Councillor Bligh. Okay. Sorry. Councillor.
All right.
Okay. Here we go. Take us to the voting panel, please, clerk. Okay, so that passes unanimously. All right. CD1, we're going to report 19 now. CD1 rezoning 2345 to 2349 Main Street. Before we begin this agenda item, if anyone believes they have a conflict of interest, now is the time to declare it. Does anyone have a conflict of interest to disclose? This item has a presentation. We have team members to present this item. So unless council does not want to see the presentation. We've got a mover. Do I have a seconder? Second. Okay. All those in favor? Any opposed? Okay. I guess that carries. All right. So we would ask the applicant if they are here and they would like to make any comments about their application.
The applicant, you're welcome to come and speak to council if you have any comments to make.
Thanks very much.
Good morning. Good morning, council. My name is Chan Hon Goh, and I'm the general and artistic director of Goh Ballet Academy. Since 1978, my parents began this academy with the goal of offering world-class dance training for students of all ages and backgrounds. Since establishing ourselves, we've grown to produce generations of local and international dancers who have garnered global awards and contributed to Vancouver for being a city that produces exceptional dancers. I'm here today to talk about our rezoning application, a project that serves Vancouver. For nearly 50 years now, we have expanded on our offering and our reputation draws in students from not just Vancouver, but from around the world. We now train 600 students in our after-school and diploma programs and over 200 adult students weekly. Next year, we anticipate about 100 new student applications. I'm also here speaking on their behalf. We have a need. We have a need to expand our studios and performance space to accommodate more students. We found that our greatest barrier for future growth is actually a lack of student housing. I hear from our students and their families time and time again that they can't find suitable accommodation in Vancouver. And we have had many promising talents opt to train and live elsewhere because of this student housing crisis. This issue affects more than just our students. The need is widespread in Vancouver. I'm requesting your approval for Go Ballet to respond to that need. Today, you're not being asked whether every technical detail has been resolved. You're being asked whether the overall public benefit justifies approval for this rezoning application. After five years of planning, consultation, and refinement, I sincerely believe that it does. I'm also told by my team of consultants who are experts in real estate that we can resolve outstanding technical issues at the DP stage and that this is common practice. This project serves Vancouver. Go Ballet is a key cultural institution and one that puts the city on the map for world-class dance training and performance. Our students come from throughout Metro Vancouver, across Canada, and internationally, contributing to our local economy and cultural life. This proposal is about ensuring that this contribution continues for generations to come.
This project advances Council's priorities. Our proposal directly supports many of Council's long-standing priorities, such as housing close to rapid transit, heritage preservation, arts and culture, education, student housing, affordability, transit-oriented development, neighborhood vitality. Few sites are better positioned to support these objectives other than our location which is on the corner of East 8th and Main. After five years, this application deserves resolution. Our application has been in process for five years. During that time, we have continued to work collaboratively with city staff, responding to evolving policies, revising the proposal and addressing concerns. However, another referral does not create greater certainty or provide a clearer path forward for approval. At some point, continued study becomes a barrier rather than good planning. A referral is not a neutral decision. The choice to send this project back for further planning work may appear procedural. In reality, It really isn't. It would delay 315 student housing units, delay restoration of an important heritage building, delay expansion of one of Vancouver's leading cultural institutions, increase the construction costs, create continued uncertainty, place the future of this project at considerable risk. Council not deciding you're not deciding whether to wait you're you're deciding whether this project has a chance to succeed and in staffs report it actually recognizes many of this project's public benefits so respectfully these public benefits warrant significant weight on councils decision Let me point out, please, the heritage preservation. We're committed to preserving the historic Royal Bank building, even though it is not legally designated heritage. This commitment unanimously was supported by Vancouver Heritage Commission. And we all know that heritage, once lost, cannot be recreated. This project secures its long-term future. And we all know that Vancouver has an urgent need for student housing. This need is not only for public universities, but for students attending cultural and other educational institutions. Our proposal will be secured through a housing agreement and a registered covenant. It creates housing specifically for students, not only for go ballet students, but for other students in our city. This places students beside rapid transit, places students close to institutions, including Emily Carr, SFU, UBC, and many others. So I would like to mention that student housing should be evaluated as student housing. Students have different housing needs. After 48 years of supporting and educating students, we feel we can recognize and speak to this. I would also like to quickly mention that we're fully accredited. We're accredited institutions through BC Ministry of Post-Secondary Education and Future Skills. And we meet the standards required for EQA, Education Quality Assurance. We know that students, they prioritize affordability, transit, proximity to education, safety, community. The proposed minimum unit size of 270 square feet, it reflects successful student housing models. It is larger than many units offered at UBC and SFU, which are closer to the range of 150 to 200 square feet. It helps maintain affordable rent. Increasing unit sizes would reduce the number of student homes while making them less affordable. I would also like to say that I've not heard from any of our families or students wanting or expressing a desire for private balconies. Students prioritize safety, location, and shared amenities for gatherings. This is what our project offers. Balcony requirements that are foisted on this project will increase construction costs and also reduce the rental affordability of these units. Our project is financially necessary. The requested density is not a design preference. This is the financial mechanism that makes this project possible. Without it, the seismic upgrade cannot be funded. The heritage restoration, which will cost at a minimum of $10 million, cannot be funded. The three levels of underground academy space cannot be delivered. The expansion of Go Ballet. will no longer be viable. So we know that a six-story building can't support all these public benefits.
This project already has a path to approval. Although staff recommended refusal, they've also prepared a draft CD1 bylaw and conditions of approval. This demonstrates there's already a framework through which council can approve this application. And one of the other points that was brought up was land assembly, but land assembly should not prevent good planning. It was recommendation from staff that... We should try for future land assembly. Well, respectfully, land assembly is outside of Go Ballet's control. Neighboring owners may never sell. We've talked to them. Planning decisions should not depend upon circumstances an applicant can't influence. Our location is logically the location for density. The site is uniquely suited for higher density because it's a corner site. It fronts two public streets, Main and East 8th. The benefits for permanent access to light and air. It provides side street servicing opportunities which will reduce impact on Main Street. It should not be evaluated as though it were a constrained mid-block site. We feel that this project is being held at an exceptionally high standard. I respectfully ask whether this project is being evaluated against standards that very few projects could ever satisfy. If every technical issue, every operational detail, every future scenario had to be fully resolved before rezoning, very few significant projects in Vancouver would ever receive approval. Cities are not built by waiting for certainty. They're built by making thoughtful decisions while allowing technical matters to continue through established approval processes. So nearly 50 years ago, my parents chose Vancouver and believed that this city values education, culture, and opportunity. This belief has shaped generations of young people. Today, Council has the opportunity to ensure that contribution continues for another 50 years. This decision is about the kind of city that Vancouver chooses to be. A city that preserves heritage. A city that invests in young people. A city that supports arts and culture. A city that creates innovative housing solutions. A city that is prepared to exercise leadership when exceptional public benefit is before it. For these reasons, I'm asking council to approve our rezoning application. Thank you. I would like to also ask our director of development, Magod, to say a few words. Thank you.
Thank you, Tran. Thank you, Steph.
I'll try to be very brief. Good morning, Mayor and Council. Thank you for your time and for considering our application today. Respectfully ask for your support. The project before you advances three priorities that Council has consistently identified. Delivering housing, preserving heritage, and supporting arts and culture. Projects that successfully deliver all three are exceptionally rare. Before addressing the specific comments raised in the staff report, I want to acknowledge the significant amount of work that has gone into this application from all sides. We've worked very closely with staff since before the Broadway plan was adopted, with the shared understanding that this project could advance while technical matters would be addressed through conditions and development and billing permit process. For that reason, I have to say we were deeply disappointed by the conclusions reached in the staff report. Rather than recognizing a project that advances Council's policy objectives, the report treats technical matters as fundamental barriers to approval. We respectfully but fundamentally disagree. Staff have already prepared the draft CD1 by-law and detailed conditions of approved covering urban design, housing, and engineering. To be clear, the issues before us are not policy or code barriers. There are matters that can be addressed through the normal approval process. Today, we're simply asking council to approve this rezoning and allow the technical work to proceed through the established process. I'd like to briefly address some of the comments in the reports. There were concerns about site frontage, lot depth, and tower separation. This proposal has been carefully designed to preserve future development on neighboring sites and maintaining more than 80 feet of separation from future tower developments. Where and when they may occur. We have demonstrated this in our application. Council has also already established precedents. Just last week, Council, following staff recommendation, approved the rezoning at 395 West Broadway, a site with similar physical constraints and a comparable development form at 33 stories. That's eight stories taller than this proposal. That project located on Yukon and West Broadway does not include heritage retention and does not provide any on-site parking. Respectfully ask this project to be given the same consideration. This is a highly constrained heritage site. Preserving the heritage building naturally creates physical limitations. Loading and operational details will continue to be refined with the engineering department through the normal development process. Student housing and unit sizes. One important issue before council is the proposed requirement for a minimum unit size of 320 square feet. There's currently no city policy establishing minimum unit sizes for purpose-built student housing because Vancouver has never approved a project of this kind. We ask council to use this project to establish an appropriate precedent and support the proposed 270 square foot minimum unit size. This is based on successful student housing models across North America and reflects accommodations already provided by local universities where many self-contained student rooms are approximately around 200 square feet. Last point, height and density. The proposed height and density under this project are carefully considered and are consistent with the provincial TOA registrations and Vancouver Official Development Plan. The Broadway Plan recognizes that additional height and density are appropriate where heritage retention and significant cultural amenities are being delivered. And that's precisely what this project does. Mayor and Council, this project in front of you delivers Vancouver's first purpose-built student housing project. It preserves a significant heritage building, expands one of Vancouver's leading art and culture institutions, and it does all of that without asking the city for financial assistance. We ask for your support and approval to establish an important precedent for the city today. Thank you. We'll be here to answer any questions you might have. Thank you.
Fair point of procedure. We're coming up on to the 12 o'clock break. I was going to move that we complete this item and then come back and finish the rest of council business after in camera.
That's a motion.
Is there a seconder, first of all? Councillor Zhou, thank you. Council, any discussion? Okay, so let me do this. Can we take a picture of where we are and then start the queue? So, Councillor Kirby Young.
I have a question. Can you just advise, Mayor, what that would mean in terms of the start time for in-camera, whether Council will get a break or not at lunch? I know apparently we have to reconvene from yesterday, so I'm just looking for what the trajectory looks like.
No, that's actually not a question for Councillor Klassen. That would be a question for you, Chair.
Okay. Sorry, I just thought you were going to recommend it. So if we were going to finish the business today, I would assume that it would just go over, sorry, this item, it would just go over past noon. And if we run the, you know, the opportunity of starting in camera at one o'clock. So even if we go a little bit over during, you know.
So I guess my question is, this item takes half an hour, 45 minutes. Will there be a lunch break before in camera starts or no? Will we commence in camera?
Yes, I would. We can have half an hour for lunch. Is that right? Or we can take the full hours at council's discretion.
I'm looking for some indication if there's some break, even half an hour.
Okay. Thank you.
Thanks. I'd support half an hour for lunch, but obviously if people have concerns about that, I want to hear from them. But when would we come back from in-camera? Do we have a specific time that we would come back to the chamber? That's what I'd like to know.
I would assume that we could cover off the business in camera in approximately one hour. So wherever this goes to take a half hour for lunch, go in camera and then provide one hour for in camera and then show it back here after that one hour.
So we could come back conceivably here at 2 p.m.? Okay, that would be great. Yes, we finish this item by 12.30. Okay, I'm just trying to avoid a situation where in-camera finishes relatively quickly and then we're kind of waiting for a couple hours to return to council business.
The other alternative is putting it out there. We could finish the business here, all of it, and then go take a lunch break, then go in-camera.
I would prefer that personally.
It's counselor that we um have counselor dominant on Maloney Talk first and then we'll um
Thanks, Mayor. I was just wanting to clarify the motion on the floor from Council Clawson was to extend past noon to complete this item. Is that the motion? Okay. Okay. And then I heard the discussion around sort of navigating lunch in camera.
I'm not clear how much longer, how much, I don't know how much more business we have if we could extend through lunch to complete. the agenda as you're suggesting, Mayor. I would support that, but I don't know how many people have questions to this item and comments on...
It's looking a little long, guys. We've got four or five speakers on this one. We've got another item.
Okay, then I will support extending past 12 noon to complete this item.
Let's finish this item. And then we'll make the call on how long we get breaks after we finish this item. So...
Yeah, so just to complete that thought, I would support extending past 12 noon to complete this item and to have a shortened lunch break of 30 minutes and move into in-camera following that.
Oh, okay.
I am very happy to keep going to finish this item and have a shortened lunch break and then go into in-camera. But I would like a set time, please, to come back. I think it's too ambitious to assume that in-camera is going to be short and I would like to set three o'clock as the return time.
I know we're all very keen to finish up, but I think we need to be realistic about how long things are going to take.
Thank you. So, Councillor Klassen, so can you just reaffirm your motion on... We will complete this item, take a 30-minute...
So the motion is to complete this item and then go to lunch, but I think we have an agreed-upon 30-minute lunch break, and then we'll have in-camera, and then we'll finish, complete the item of council business after in-camera, and it sounds like we'll probably need until about 3 o'clock. But let's finish this item, see what the times are, and then kind of do a time stamp on it. Okay. Thanks a lot. Okay, so that...
Your Worship, may... City Manager? may i make a recommendation hearing all of council and trying to find compromise also having a good understanding of what our staff have is should council complete this item um that the in-camera meeting will occur at 1 o'clock, that as much as to leave room may not need two hours, and again, cognizant of making sure we get through everything, to reconvene at 2 o'clock. Should there be more time needed, this meeting can start up to 30 minutes later, but would suggest that 2 o'clock would be at least an adequate starting point.
Okay. So is that as clear as clear can be? Great. Thank you.
So awesome. You're good with that. Yeah. Okay. So any other conversation before we put that motion to a vote?
No, not yet. Okay. So now we're going to vote on it. All in favor say aye. Aye. All those opposed say nay. Nay. Two nays. So councillors Maloney and Kirby Young. opposed so that passes so just to confirm what we just heard um we will finish this item we will break for lunch we will start in camera at one o'clock we will reconvene here at two o'clock and if we need to um well we have up to 2 30 to start the council meeting Great. Thank you very much. Okay. So with that, if we can please get to, oh, Councillor Meiszner, we are in questions now. So council members, you have up to five minutes to ask questions of team members and the applicant. Councillor Meiszner, you're up.
Yeah, thank you. Question for staff. I noted in the report a concern around tower separation to the north, south, and west, but the applicant said in their comments that they would be able to have 80 feet of tower separation. So I'm just looking for some context on that.
Sure thing. Susanne, we're always on the plan, but I think development planning will be better to answer this.
Thank you for the question. I'm Miguel Castillo-Rena, and I'm a senior development planner. The proposal actually goes all the way to the northern property line, so this site doesn't provide any tower separation. Typically, that is equitable between this site and the other site. So for this one, the expectation is 40 feet. It doesn't provide anything, so everything will have to be accommodated 80 feet within the other site to the north.
Okay. was approved and constructed, would it be possible still to build a tower to the north?
It would need to meet not on the site immediately to the north, and I don't think on the site immediately, the next site adjacent to the north, it would be farther away. Okay.
And does the plan contemplate towers in those locations? Like, are we losing additional housing, essentially, by approving something that doesn't meet minimum tower separation? I don't know if that's clear enough, but I see Josh is coming up.
Yeah, under the Broadway plan and in TOA legislation, now this is within 200 meters of our existing rapid transit station, we would expect towers on the site. And on this block, based on the dimensions of the block, we would expect something like a maximum of two towers with 80-foot tower separation accommodated. I think part of the challenge we have with this, given the site size, is that without any kind of site consolidation in combination with this one, the sites in media have no redevelopment opportunity. The only opportunity for them to develop at scale of any type in a tower typology would be, consolidation of the entire rest of the block to the north. For one tower? For one additional tower on the site. And so I think we have heard concerns from the landowner immediately to the north on some of the potential impacts it could have on their developability given that they're in a TOA.
Okay, thanks for that. Another question, and it's quite specific, but it was mentioned as well. I think it was the Bonas rental tower that we recently approved at UConn and Broadway. just down the street here, quite a narrow tower. I think the speaker from the applicant, West Bank, had indicated that this was similar. Can you speak to that? Sorry, I know I'm putting you on the spot. Yeah, development planning can help us with that. I just want to know, is this like a similar situation or is there something different about that project?
Thanks for the question, Paul Chang, Assistant Director of Development Planning. Yes, that is also a site where it is somewhat small, and the council has approved the tower for that particular site. That's what staff recommended. The context is very different. Due north of that particular site on West Broadway is industrial land, so we're not nearly as concerned about tower separation, a fine-grained residential typology for the public realm and for the neighboring sites in itself. So it's very, very different. So we allow things to fit when it's up against industrial space, and we're not necessarily as concerned about a very, very high grade of public realm.
Yeah, okay. Thanks for explaining that, why there was a different recommendation proposed for council there. And then the loading, I see that's also an issue. Is that currently an issue with the existing operations there? I'm not super – I know where it is, but I don't know if that's really an issue. Neil from engineering will help answer that. Okay, thank you.
I only have 45 seconds, so – Good morning, Mayor and Council. Neil Peacock, Associate Director of Engineering Services. I would say that, yes, in general, this is an existing challenge. This would be exacerbated by the additional density. It's something we look to improve. Okay, so where is it proposed to be in this new development? Within this current proposal, it's deficient of the expected loading facilities, and the only real possibility is off the west edge of the site where there's a driveway crossing from 8th Avenue, but there's no lane on this site. No lane. Okay. Okay. Thanks. Councillor Orr?
Thanks. Kind of following up on that, too, just in terms of not just loading, but student pickup and drop-off, if you could... If council so chooses to ignore staff's recommendations and approve this in principle, I guess, what does that look like?
To this point, we don't have clarity on that. That's one of the technical issues we've identified within the report that could be resolved through the DP, noting that there's significant amounts of demands at that ground plane. to address transportation. So in general, the current proposal, I believe, is to do it off of 8th Avenue. 8th, yeah.
Looks like the applicant wants to speak to that.
to say that we've been on this site since 1985, right? And we've programmed our classes so that it's staggered, so for pick-up and drop-off, so that it's not everything starting at the same time. We're with understanding of the challenges, but also it's very acceptable because when I look at our counterparts in Winnipeg, in Toronto, with big schools, They don't have parking. They don't have loading. And they've made it work, which means for a ballet academy, it can work very well.
Okay, thanks. Thanks for that clarity. And then maybe just a follow-up to staff. Is there likely to be less traffic in the area just because there's going to be SkyTrain now access? Is that a possibility? I don't know.
In short, I'd say no, we would not expect less traffic. I think we'd look for a continual modal shift towards more sustainable modes, but the demands on our street are expected to increase for sure.
Okay, and then shifting to just the student housing, this is kind of a similar situation to, I believe, like the VGH. where we didn't have workforce housing. Now we're into no policy really around student housing. And it looks like, you know, it says Appendix B will require student housing to be operated either through ownership or long-term lease by one or more of BC's public library post-secondary institutions. What would that look like? Because it says also that there's no clear pathway to such a partnership. So what is that looking like?
Sure. Yeah, this project's being considered under Broadway plan, very similar to the workforce housing. We don't have policy specifically guiding us on how to contemplate such a housing arrangement. We are definitely open to those opportunities. The unit type mix, the sort of dormitory style, is a pretty significant deviation from a standard apartment. And so in that context, in the absence of policy, similar to VEJH, I think what we're seeking is some clarity in terms of the types of partnerships and arrangements that are necessary to operate a significant number of student housing units including the units Definitely will acknowledge there's a small number of units dedicated to Go Ballet, but the large balance of the project is intended for students. And I think before being able to give a very confident recommendation of approval, we think there is a project here. We think it's important to have greater clarity on what those relationships and operating models look like, and we just don't quite have that yet.
For sure. And the risk then would be that we, you know, if council chooses to approve that we have these dormitory style housing that just could become like on the market.
Well, I think that's part of what we want to understand better is like what is the pipeline in relationship to various one or more post-secondary institutions that help select tenants, how they're supported. That's something what a partnership agreement can help provide clarity on. The applicant has suggested those details can be sorted out. Staff is not quite comfortable. We're strongly recommending approval until we have maybe a bit more information or details around how those relationships will work.
Thank you, Josh, and thank you for the question. Just to clarify, the 100% of the housing that's being proposed is student housing, and it will be secured through agreements. It will be covenanted through the site, so the housing will remain as student housing fully. If you're already in discussions with other secondary public institutions or secondary institutions, Go Ballet is also an accredited institution.
We'll have to pause there. That's your time, Councillor. Councillor Kerr, be young.
Yeah, I'm going to follow up on that thread with the applicant. You've been trying to do this, you said, for a number of years. So I guess I'm wondering why haven't the conversations advanced or which do you intend to partner with an organization, a post-secondary? Do you intend to operate it yourself? What is the intention?
Thank you for your question. So we are fully accredited and we give out diplomas. We have been fully accredited through the Ministry of Education for the past 16 years.
Just because we have limited time, I want to make sure that my question is clear. Do you intend to operate the housing piece yourself, like Go Ballet, or do you intend to partner with another organization, a non-profit or an educational institution? What is the intent?
We would like to have an agreement and to be able to run the student housing ourselves, but we are very welcoming of other students in the city.
Okay, so if I can follow up on that, if you would run it yourselves, Chan, who would you be renting those units to? Which students or who are you planning to have living there?
Students that can't find housing. There's so many institutions, private career colleges, SFU students, Emily Carr students, UBC students.
Okay, what if somebody came and was not a student and wanted to rent one of these units?
That would not be allowed. It's only for students.
Okay. Can I direct a question to staff? Can you speak to the covenant piece for me, please, and indicate does that protect, for example, from the creation of a building that's simply microsuites that are smaller than the required minimums in the city and that could potentially be rented to other folks that are not students, or how much that covenant actually provides protection around that it's generally for students? Thank you.
Thanks for the question, Councillor. Yeah, so the covenant would require that all the students be registered in accredited post-secondary institutions that are provincially defined. So that's what the current covenant requires. There would also be conditions of approval of development that would require the units to meet the minimum unit sizes of 320 square feet because it's actually not possible for us to relax that beyond 320 square feet in this location.
So it would have to be 320. And so these suites could be rented as microsuites, and once somebody's no longer a student, they would have to move out?
Yeah, I mean, if the units were, that would be, we would be monitoring for that to ensure that the students were registered, or all the tenants were registered in post-secondary.
So we, the city, would have to take on that?
We would have to take, we would. We would have a housing agreement and conditions, and there would have to be monitoring compliance work done by the city, yes.
Okay. And then with the 320 square feet that you say is a minimum that you would require if this were to proceed against the staff recommendation, and the report size livability concerns, for example, with the size and the narrowness of this lot, does this provide for something like windows or ventilation in these rooms, or are you going to have rooms that don't have any windows or air?
The size of the site is a little bit challenging, and you'll see that if the council should want to approve this, there are conditions about some design conditions where the design needs to change a little bit. Due to the smallest of the suites, we want to make sure that the livability works well. They need... at least one big window. Some of the suites are actually facing the property, the shared property line to the north. And as a result, there are building code issues that can come to effect and make the windows smaller. So that's another part of that kind of lack of resolution yet at this point that we want to kind of like explore a little bit. And that's our reason.
The city would want the units to have air and windows.
Yes. Yes.
My next question is it notes that there's a separate public hearing will be required for the heritage component. Why does that need to be done separately? Why would that not be bundled together in one rezoning application, for example?
Thank you for the question. So this project, as presented, is consistent with the official development plan, and so we're prohibited from having a public hearing on the merits of the rezoning application. And with the staff recommendation to refer back, it was appropriate to kind of split these. So if council does wish to approve this project, the next step would be a public hearing on the heritage-related matters.
Okay. And so this, and if the hearing on the heritage component doesn't pass in it, then these entitlements are not enacted. Is that correct?
Sorry, I missed that question.
Can I move for a second round? I need to get this answered.
Got it. All in favor?
Yeah, I got it. Opposed? Carry on.
I can come back on unless Councillor Bligh is coming in. May I?
Councillor Bligh is not there.
May I speak quickly to Councillor's question earlier about the window?
Sorry, one second. Councillor Bligh is on the queue. She's not here. So Councillor Meyers, I'm going to advance you and then we'll kick.
I would appreciate hearing from the applicant around the window question.
Yeah, this is Adeline from Align Architecture. I'm the architect. All the rooms have windows. There's none that's actually directly facing the north or the west. So we won't have any building code requirement issue at all.
Thanks for clarifying that. My other question for the applicant as well, it wasn't super clear to me. I understand 100% student housing, but how much of that student housing is allocated for Go Ballet? number of units percentage?
Thank you for the question. Right now, it's about 10 units right now, but the application does allow for flexibility for us to increase. As Chan mentioned, there's 600 students, and we think there is definitely a lot more demand for that. There is flexibility in the bylaws right now that can be increased.
And remind me how many units this proposes, 300 something?
315 units.
250? 315. 350? 315, one five. Okay, okay, so only 10 units. So with that said, why not pursue a six-story building on the site? Given only the need of the 10 units for go ballet students.
The need is more than 10 units. They're just a minimum that's been provided. And without the proposal that we have right now, there won't be any projects. There won't be the preservation of the heritage. And we can't, Chan can speak to that as well. We can't expand the school. It just wouldn't be viable financially. And then the student housing piece would not be moving forward either. There won't be a project.
Okay, thank you. So I fully understand the need for student housing. I worked at UBC for eight years. It's a huge issue across the city. I'm just curious, though, in terms of student housing, is the revenue from that intended to, I guess, fund the expense of the restoration of the former RBC building? Is that kind of the model that you're looking at?
Yeah, 100%, and also expansion of the school.
Okay. Thank you for that. And then just one more question around the building form, etc. Land assembly, was there an attempt or outreach made to the adjacent property owners to, you know, have a broader land assembly in order to mitigate some of the tower separation issues?
Thank you for asking that. Yeah. I mean, I basically grew up in the neighborhood and it's gone through some changes, but we've talked to, they've known of our plans for forever, for a long time, and they don't want to come on board.
Okay. Even though they know that if this is to be approved today, it could impact the development viability of their parcel.
I don't know why they don't want to.
Okay. Thanks for the context. Appreciate it. Councillor Kerbiel.
Yeah, thank you, Chair. I just want to follow up on that question around, I think Templer was answering around the heritage piece and that requiring, you said this part came forward, if I'm recapping, because it was compliant with the ODP and could not be done with heritage that had to be done separately.
Thank you for the question. Yes. So again, it's very difficult to try to have a public hearing on a project where we're prohibited from having a public hearing on a matter associated with heritage where we're required to have a public hearing. So given the timelines and ability to get to this council, we wanted to make sure that the applicant had the opportunity to present this project. And if approved, we can come back with a public hearing for the heritage item at another date.
Okay. And if the heritage, if a conceptual future... heritage public hearing did not pass, then these entitlements would not stand. Is that correct?
So the conditions of enactment for the zoning bylaw are to approve the heritage related aspects. There's certainly opportunity to explore those heritage elements at that future public hearing. So again, it would just be a matter of working with the applicant and council of the day around what is the appropriate heritage aspects of the project to consider.
So can I ask the... Can I ask the question a different way then? If Council were to not approve the staff recommendation, refer it back, and allow this to move forward, what is the level of confidence over the heritage protection? Because it's sounding to me like it's not required. It's a future effort. It's an intention, but it doesn't sound like it's fully required.
Yeah, I'll let my staff team jump in on some of the details, but it has been conditioned and worked with the applicant to do the preservation requirements within there.
Anyone else?
The Heritage Commission liked this project very much from a heritage perspective, so we don't have any doubts that it would be approved by Council in the way it's proposed. Well, not sure that answers your question. With all due respect, we can't suppose of Council's future decision. Of course. And it's helpful to know that the Heritage Commission likes it, but I guess my question is really around certainty for heritage protection.
Hi, Jason Olnick, the Director of Development Planning. If I understand your question correctly, a restoration covenant is a requirement of approval for this item that you're hearing today. Charter requires we bring that back as a public hearing. Designations require a public hearing. So we can't couple these together. So it's a requirement, it's a condition of approval. It's condition 2.1, I believe. We bring it. However, council has to hear it again to approve that. That is not atypical. We bring development permits all the time with designation reports. It's a process we can work through, and we can tweak the design at that point as well.
Okay. I appreciate that. That's helpful. And then I guess my other question then, just if I'm understanding correctly, is that from a staff perspective, this would have been cleaner if the time... there's been a some way to get towards a compliant application because it could have been more cleanly bundled together and answered some of these questions that's correct okay I'll leave it there thank you very much I appreciate that okay counselors why it's not there counselor or yeah thanks I guess I have a question on the pricing of the student housing is would be for the applicant would this be set by
The university that you potentially would be working with or would this be set by Go Ballet or who would set this pricing? What is...
It could be both.
It would be very much comparable to what SFU and UBC universities are charging. Because these are student housing, they will be affordable by definition because of their size, and they will be very much comparable to UBC, SFU, and other public secondary institutions that have student housing.
Okay, thanks. And can I get staff to answer the same question? I know that's probably a question for the applicant and why this is being referred. But just what options we have in terms of the city sort of stepping in there and requiring... I know you said there would be monitoring of the units, but... Housing policy and regulation can answer things.
I'm sorry, Councillor, could you just rephrase?
The question is who sets the price? I mean, obviously, and the applicant answered. Yes. What other policies are there for universities?
Okay. So the post-secondary institution that was tenanting the units would set those rents. We don't have affordability requirements in this project. The assumption would be that a post-secondary institution would be setting the rents at a rate that worked for their students. which is why there is a requirement for accredited post-secondary institutions to be managing those units.
Yeah, okay. That makes sense. And then I guess just maybe another question around maybe legal. I don't know, like, you know, weighing in on, I remember like early on in my term, there was a building, I think it was on West 7th, where... There was a question around tower separation and future land assemblies limiting those property developers. I think there was also a question in the West End around like the sort of first come first serve kind of principle.
Can you give us some further clarity on sort of handcuffing those landowners in the future? And does this set the city up for any kind of liability?
Thank you for the question. So again, just for some context, the Broadway plan actually only contemplated six stories in this area to preserve the kind of village heritage character as well. The reason towers are allowed here is because the TOA legislation came in, and that's been reflected in the ODP as a result. We don't have regulations or policies around... FIRST COME FIRST SERVE. THAT'S BASICALLY A PRACTICE WE'VE APPLIED. SO IT WOULD BE EFFECTIVELY OUR ABILITY TO WEIGH THE MERITS OF AN APPLICATION, BRING THOSE FORWARD FOR COUNCIL. THAT'S OFTEN WHY WE INTRODUCE TOWER SEPARATIONS AND SETBACK REQUIREMENTS TO PRESERVE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES. YOU DID HEAR EARLIER THAT THERE IS STILL THE ABILITY TO LOCATE A TOWER ELSEWHERE ON THIS BLOCK. BUT HAVING SAID THAT, AGAIN, THIS SITE IS ONLY 62 FEET WIDE WHERE A TYPICAL TOWER IS ON A 100 TO 150 FOOT SITE. And we have heard from the joining owners around their concerns around how this might impact their properties as well.
As far as liability, I mean, you said impacting their properties. Would this set the city up?
I don't believe that's the case. I don't know if law is on the line, but I'm not aware of any legal liability associated with that.
Mr. Frye.
Yeah. Generally, on the subject of student housing, am I correct in that we don't actually define that anywhere in the city of Vancouver right now?
Yes, Council, that's correct. We don't have a definition of student housing, so we've had to, should Council wish to approve this, we've had to essentially create one as part of the CD1 by-law and conditions associated with this project.
And so otherwise the size that's contemplated here is compatible with like an SRO micro unit, that kind of thing?
Yes, that's the only place where that type of housing, that size of unit would be enabled below 320 square feet is in the downtown east side in relation to SRO replacement.
So really, to even do this requires some degree of significant policy work to come up with. How are we defining student housing? How are we ensuring that it is... Indeed, for students, not SRO micro-units or what have you, in those kind of conditions.
Yeah, I mean, from a housing perspective, that's really the rationale for why we have recommended. There's obviously other reasons related to form of development, but from a housing perspective, why we've recommended referral back to staff is to address those sorts of issues and make sure that we've... essentially ensured that something that is purported to be student housing actually is student housing.
And do SROs, like, as comparably, do they still have the same tenancy rights, like RTA kind of considerations? How would tenancy work in the concept of student housing? Or is this, again, something that... Yeah, it's a good question. I'm not sure. I see the applicant is stepping up to the mic. But here we have Annie Mobilis.
Thanks, Annie Mobilis, Housing Policy and Regulation. Maybe an additional reason from a housing perspective to refer back to staff is without a student housing policy, it's hard to be able to answer that question, quite frankly. The student housing isn't covered by the RTA, the Residential Tenancy Act, because students, you know, arrive in September, typically leave in June. And so there's a different construct there around the management kind of operation of student housing. And we just don't have a view in on how we would regulate that at the city. I hope that answers your question.
Thanks for the question, Councillor. I just wanted to, I think, bring this up that I believe in the report there is a section that mentions the students need to be at least be renting the units just like any other residential unit for three months, which is also the same length as a semester. But that definition does exist in the project report.
I believe the housing reports that has a section that says the students, tenants required to have a minimum three months lease, just like any other rental units. And that's also the length of a semester for students. So that three months is a minimum required. That's already part of the conditions.
Right. But that doesn't necessarily apply. Same tenancy. Right, as a regular renter?
It does require this for the project, yes. That applies to the project.
It does prohibit, but that's more around prohibiting the units from being used for short-term rental. It doesn't confirm that the units would be under the residential tent, yeah.
Okay, thank you. Parking, the parking loading drop-off consideration, my... My wife works nearby, and my friend Mike Wiebe had a restaurant there. So I know that loading and drop-off is already a significant consideration around the go-ballet functions. And I note this application talks about going underground. Is there no contemplation of having a new access point for underground parking or anything like that? I'm assuming this is a pretty significant underground excavation.
Yeah, I'd say in discussions we've had with the applicant, that's something we've asked them to explore. Car elevators could be an option to make better use of the ground plane and appreciating the heritage, but that's not something that's currently proposed.
Okay.
I can, if maybe I could just add something about the loading. We are proposing two loading spaces. That doesn't exist right now. We're working with staff, happy to work with staff. We've provided some plans to show that there are two loading spaces, Class A and Class B, that can be fit within the building, and we're happy to provide that and iron it out in the next stages of the project. Okay, well, that sounds like... Quickly add as well, Councillor Fry, thank you for the question, because I'm there every day. You know, none of our students, they don't have cars, and it's going to be right on the transit line, Main and Broadway. They cycle, and we staggered the class time so the drop-off and pick-up is not an issue. We've been there since 1985.
Going to advance Councillor Kirby-Young. Thank you. Councillor Kerr-Beyond.
Yeah, thank you. I'll follow up on that because that was actually sort of my question. I appreciate students necessarily on transit in terms of folks that are living there, but I know that you're looking to increase capacity at the school with the restoration and capacity. So I have seen tons of parents dropping off kids, and I know it's compounded right now, the Broadway subway construction, but my heart is in my mouth every time I see it because you see these beautiful, young, aspiring kids ballet students and they are darting in and out across those that street so I guess my question for maybe it's for staff is what or what happens because you're still going to and most of the applicant you're still going to have more students coming in and out there and these are young folks right yes thank you so much for your concern and for raising this point um
Our expansion is to be able to better serve the community. So there are only a certain amount of classes that we can have after school, right? Because all of the kids... Will you be having more classes than you have now? So there are only a certain amount of classes that we can host after school based on the number of... studios because they are only available at a certain time. Our expansion will speak to being able to better serve the community through our adult programs. I have very limited time.
Before I run out of time, will you have more classes and more people after the renovation than you do today? I hope to. For staff, what happens to loading or access on the street? How are people, students coming in and out?
I'd say at this point we're still struggling to prioritize the various needs. I'd like to point out that in the Broadway plan, public realm plan, this is one of those blocks that we've identified potentially for conversion to public space, appreciating the difficulties with the lack of lane, but we're also dealing with solid waste, which is not currently addressed to the application in addition to the loading and passenger facilities mentioned. So we'd still have to go through that more technical work with the applicant to try and prioritize it from a safety perspective.
I'm at time, sorry.
Mr. Dominato.
Yeah, thanks, Chair. I have a couple questions for staff and for the applicant. One, because I'm hearing in the questions being raised around student housing and the lack of a framework. Could staff comment? There was a motion and direction given to develop a framework around student housing. It was given several years ago with a report back for 2024. And so I'm curious... how that fits in the context of an application like this where we were, and maybe we're still working on it, but given that direction was given quite some time ago, how we see that fitting with this application.
Yeah, and certainly that was a very reasonable motion. Council moved and approved for staff. It was a motion that over the last couple of years we've had to prioritize the amount of council work that was coming. And so at the time the motion was moved and approved, there was a very significant acute issue with student housing as a result of the number of international students, et cetera, that were in the country. Since then, the federal government has changed immigration rules. We have a much... A smaller population of international students in the city looking for housing. And so the sort of acuteness of that issue meant that we deprioritized that work compared to other work just to get other work done. So that's still on the docket of work staff intend to do. We just had to prioritize other work in advance of it. So we haven't been able to get to it yet.
That's helpful. And I know, as I was commenting on yesterday, our sort of global and local environment has changed quite a bit. I'm curious, appreciating that there's a recommendation here to have this go back to staff, but I'm curious what that would mean in terms of timelines. And I noted in the context of that this project has been on the books for some time. And so what does that look like in terms of timing?
YEAH, CERTAINLY THE APPLICATION, I THINK THERE WAS SOME PRE-APPLICATION INFORMAL CONVERSATIONS THAT OCCURRED AS FAR BACK AS THE BROADWAY PLAN. AT THAT TIME, SOMETHING LIKE A 12-STORY MASS TIMBER PROPOSAL HAD COME FORWARD AND JUST WOULD CLARIFY THAT THE APPLICATION IN FRONT OF YOU WAS SUBMITTED 12 MONTHS AGO AND WE'VE BEEN PROCESSING IT IN, I WOULD SUGGEST, VERY NORMAL TIMEFRAMES FOR A FORMALLY SUBMITTED REZONING APPLICATION. I THINK WHAT THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE IS TRYING TO RESOLVE AND WORK THROUGH THE MAIN THREE OR FOUR ISSUES THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND IN THE RECOMMENDATION. WE CERTAINLY WANT TO SUPPORT THE GOALS OF GO BALLET AS AN IMPORTANT INSTITUTION. WE UNDERSTAND THE VALUE AND OPPORTUNITY AND POTENTIAL OF STUDENT HOUSING. THERE'S SOME PHYSICAL AND LOGISTICAL CHALLENGES WITH A SITE THIS SMALL. perhaps there's opportunity to to better resolve those so that we can come back with a recommendation of approval having had the opportunity to to work through those issues in greater depth
So can I ask you this?
With a referral back, and we've seen a few of these, not many, that's led by staff, can there be provision of, you know, if a referral back is really necessary to resolve those issues, with a timeline to come back to council included so that, for example, that it come back in by no later than the end of Q4 of 2026 or something like that? Because what I worry about is the the leg and not prioritizing something like this because I've heard all the amount of work that's gone into it behind the scenes to get to this place. So I'm curious about that provision.
YOU COULD ADD A TARGET FOR STAFF TO WORK TO COME BACK. YOU COULD ALSO ADD OTHER LANGUAGE IF YOU CHOSE TO DIRECT STAFF OR SPEAK TO COUNCIL'S INTENT ABOUT WHAT ISSUES YOU SPECIFICALLY WANT US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS THROUGH THAT REVIEW WITH A TARGET TIMELINE.
OKAY.
FOR EXAMPLE, TO SAY YOU COULD SAY SOMETHING LIKE WITH TO ADDRESS THE STUDENT HOW IT IS IN QUESTION, YOU COULD ADD LANGUAGE THAT SAYS SOMETHING LIKE WITH A PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT RESOLVED BEFORE COUNCIL CONSIDERATION, SOMETHING TO THOSE EFFECTS. IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC INTENT ON THE TYPES OF ISSUES, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE RESOLVE FOR A FUTURE COUNCIL DECISION.
RIGHT. OKAY. AND CHAIR, JUST NOTING THERE WAS A SECOND ROUND MOVE, SO I'M GOING TO USE MY TIME. for those questions. So it was already moved, so I'll continue. So, okay, so I'll take that and set that aside. I may work on something around that. But I also, before I go there, it's probably a question to staff and also to the applicant. Setting aside that the immigration trend is changing, the restrictions there around international students, I'm curious if we have trend data, and maybe, Chan, you have this, around the... student population and student housing needs, just with our domestic students that are here and what you have. I have anecdotal information, but I'm curious if you have more concrete information about domestic students and housing.
Sure. Thank you for asking. Before I answer that question, I want to circle back to your previous question, if I may, please, because I feel like there probably won't be a project if this was referred back. we really want to work with city staff. We want to take their recommendations. We want to work with them. But we feel like we've exhausted everything and we've thought of a lot of things. And so to delay this would be really disheartening and I don't know if we can live through it. To answer your question about the need, I actually asked Arabella and Malia to be here because they're here in the summer with us in our summer intensive. We have students, as I mentioned, who've graduated from our academy and now are in the diploma program and they should have student housing. They shouldn't... have to live with their parents. They should feel the independence. So they are in the Greater Vancouver area. We also have applications, so many from Eastern Canada, Nova Scotia, Alberta, Winnipeg. And then because of the restriction, yes, the international student pool is less. And so we didn't want to be as... you know, confident to ask for so many units in this proposal because we don't know what's going to happen with the international student application and visa scenario. But we wanted to be a bit conservative and we also wanted to make provisions so that knowing that there are other students in the city with other career colleges that they can have their application. We hope to increase the number of units for Go Ballet, but we wanted to be conservative at this point.
Okay, I have another question at the time I have, and that is hearing your concerns about sort of expediency and trying to advance this. In a scenario where this is delayed and you're not, is there a high likelihood that you would move out of Vancouver? And I ask in the context of another dance school that is thriving, but they did move. They started in Vancouver. They grew. They expanded. They're well-recognized, highly sought after. They have great dancers. And they moved out of the city because they couldn't find space. And even in their space now, it's probably temporary because it's on a development site in another city. And so I'm curious sort of what it means for you. And I know I only have two minutes left for a response. So just acknowledging that your comments on that.
Sure. Thank you. It's very real. We don't know what our options might be. We don't want to leave the city of Vancouver, but we also know what's before us. And that is that we're in a heritage building. And when we're there in the winter, there's like heat that's escaping. We're like, it's leaking. We have no money to repair that building. And that's a huge hindrance for us. Arabella will tell you that, you know, there's like, we have buckets in the studio because there's a leak. And we try our very best, but because it's heritage, it costs so much money. And so going back to that six-story building, If we tore it down and we build a six-story building, it will suffice Go Ballet's needs. But what will that do to the city? It's unbearable. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. Oh, yes, go ahead. Just to circle back about the process, and you mentioned maybe extending this. I did mention it, and staff have mentioned it. Just to reiterate here, maybe for everybody, there are conditions. Staff have done a really good job, put all the conditions together for this to move forward, and the conditions address everything from engineering, from housing, from the tower portions, from setbacks. Everything is in there, and we're more than happy to work with them. to enactment, to iron out all those conditions and make sure they're satisfied, we're satisfied, and the project can move forward so we're not set back another year or so, which would end up no project.
Okay. Thank you for those responses. I appreciate it. Thank you, Chair.
Okay. Thanks very much, Councillor. Okay. So I'm going to go to the main queue here.
Would someone like to move a motion, please, on this?
Okay. Seconder? Seconded by Councillor Maloney. All right.
Yeah, thank you. I want to thank the applicant and also staff for answering all of our questions around this application. I'm very supportive of Go Ballet and the work that you do and you're a, you know, iconic cultural institution in our city bringing dance and art for, for decades. And I want, I want to recognize that and share my appreciation for that. I also think that the proposal has merit in terms of bringing student housing to a transit oriented location. Obviously, the heritage restoration of the former bank building, which I'm very interested in. But I did move the staff recommendation because I do feel that the proposal does need more work. And I know that will be disappointing to the applicant. I do have concerns around the frontage issue and the limiting of development of adjacent sites. as well as the concerns raised around the loading and drop-off. And I'm hopeful that some of those issues can be worked through with further refinement with staff. This is a very important part of our city, as you know. It is soon to be the station area for the Mount Pleasant...
Sorry, Councillor Meister. Yes. I apologize. We lost quorum. I'm going to pause your timer. We've lost quorum. That's unfortunate. We're going to recess until we get to... Okay, I can continue my comments. We're going to recess for lunch, and we'll have to come back and do final decision on this one. Thanks very much. Okay, we'll come back.
Sorry, I just need to know how long are we talking about half hour lunch. So should we? I'm just trying to think when we should take in camera. One o'clock. It's less than a half hour.
Okay 1 15 for in camera and then we'll be back here at 2 15 Okay, okay, all right, so we'll come back it will resume at 2 o'clock. Thanks very much folks
Hi, District Clerk.
I'm just going to lock the meeting shortly. So whoever saw the staff member, please leave the team's invite and I'll be joined at 2 p.m.
Hey, David, just doing an audio check here.
Howdy and clear, Councillor Montague. Great, thanks. I might be 15 minutes late getting back, so start without me, but I'll join eventually. Thanks.
So.
We're good?
Okay, great. Okay, so we're going to continue off, or where we left off last, Councillor Meissner.
Thank you so much. We'll give you some extra time. No, it's okay. I have a point of information, I guess, privilege. I just want to know from the clerks if I can withdraw my moving of the recommendation. Is that possible?
Yes, you can.
It requires unanimous consent of counsel.
Okay.
I'd like to move to withdraw my moving of the recommendation.
And we'll need a seconder.
right Councillor Zhou seconded any discussion that's a good question clerk is this debatable
Take a two-minute recess.
Sorry, Councillor. Withdrawals are not debatable nor amendable.
Just to provide more context for Council, I just realized that moving that may have been quite premature. As I was the first on the queue and I'd rather have a discussion before moving any recommendations.
So that's why I'd like to withdraw. It was already seconded.
Okay. And it's not debatable. So do we have to go to a recorded vote or do we just show of hands?
The councilman removed the staff recommendations. Okay. Yeah, but the motion on the floor is to withdraw.
Okay. All right. So we'll try this show of hands. All in favor say yay. All those opposed say nay.
sorry it remains on the floor okay it has to be unanimous okay uh i think should we go to a recorded vote just to have this on the record
This is on the motion to withdraw.
Oh, I thought I voted there.
Great. And so that fails with Councillor Orr and Councillor Maloney in opposition. It had to be unanimous. Okay. So I'm going to go back to Councillor Meiszner. You said you're going to cede your... Okay, great. Councillor Dominato.
Point of information through you. Am I able to ask a question of the applicant?
I know we're not in regular public hearings anymore, so I'm not sure the rules and...
It will inform my decision.
Thank you for the question. We are in a slightly unique different circumstance of a typical public hearing, so where we typically stop hearing from applicants. I think you are now in debate decision, which is kind of past our points of conversation with staff and applicant. You can ask us points of information, but I don't believe you can ask the applicant questions at this point.
I have limited time. My point of information through you, Chair, to the staff is If a time-bound referral, as I was asking questions about this, I'm curious if the applicant would be amenable to that and the project would be still supportable if this was referred back with a timestamp of this coming back in November of 2026 or December at the latest, and whether the staff and the applicant, and I know the applicant can't answer my question, could work together to address the outstanding issues. Because I think it has a lot of merit, the project, and so I want to understand the ramifications of that.
Thank you for the question. Though I can't engage the applicant right now to ask the question, I think time is of the essence, and we would certainly look to work with the applicant as quickly as we could, and that might be the best option if there is further work to explore on the project.
Okay. I'm going to pause there. I don't want to run out of time. Thank you, Mayor.
Yeah, similar line of questions for me. I'm quite curious to know, it seems to me that there are some gaps here, but again, this is an arts-related facility. Is it possible to see an approval with conditions, like a conditional approval, essentially, that would allow us to make sure that the adequate time for drafting a bylaws, what have you, that would obviously there'd be a gap that would come back to us to approve those bylaws. But is there a way for us to get an approval and potentially look at some of the use of the building? One of the ideas that sort of came to mind during our earlier deliberations is that we have a lot of resident artists for groups that work for different arts or cultural organizations. that often struggle to house those artists because of the cost of housing in our city. That would be a potential interesting mix here. But again, Templar, I'm kind of relying upon your expertise in this area.
Thank you very much for the question. So if council were to look to impose different conditions or bylaw requirements, depending on the complexity, there is sometimes opportunity to kind of finesse those on the floor. If they're more substantive, we typically would recommend refer back to staff so we have the time to kind of get that wording right. Council has typically four options before them, approve with conditions, refer back or refuse. I could maybe lean and talk to some staff if I had a... two-minute recess, depending on what the kind of conditions were, to see if there's an opportunity to approve with those conditions. If the changes are substantive, we'd have to come back to a council meeting for a new bylaw, new conditions anyways, but we can certainly think about how that could be framed up as part of a resolution.
So, Mayor, obviously we have Council Dominata on the queue here, but if we were able to recess to allow staff to at least... Yeah, you know, just in light of everything that's going on...
Thanks, Mayor. Thanks very much. Appreciate the time. I'm going to now allow you to advance to Councillor Domonato, please.
Yes, Mayor. I think I got most of my questions answered. One last one was to staff as a point of information. No, you don't want to leave it. Forget it. Thanks.
Yeah, thanks, Mayor. So I'm just going to see no one else in the queue, correct? Sorry, I've got different screens here. That's correct. Okay, so I would like to strike the recommendation that's on the floor, which is the staff recommendation to refer it in its entirety, and then I would like to replace it with the alternative recommendation that has been emailed to all council. Yes, please.
Yeah, thanks, Mayor. And so my proposal is to replace... the staff recommendation, strike their staff recommendation to replace it with this alternative recommendation, which in essence allows this project to proceed. My rationalization is this, recognizing that we have a gap in student policy and there are still a number of issues and considerations to be worked out, which is in very simple and practical terms, I do not believe that the Go Ballet, which is a beloved cultural institution that provides a lot of value in our city, has the financial wherewithal to redevelop its facility on its own. And this proposal provides a pathway to do that, to not only renovate, but to modernize, improve, and expand its space and capacity. and as well as the addition of the 10 rooms, while not a lot, to be sure out of the total number of rooms, it does allow it to have a modernized home and to continue doing what it wants to do in sort of honestly where its roots are right here in the city of Vancouver. And then secondly, it recognizes that this is a pathway towards heritage retention, because I will note that the previous applicant has done projects or sorry, the applicant, I should say. Sorry, it's been a long few days, has done projects downtown that involved heritage retention and did deliver on those and did. really stellar job in terms of respecting the heritage one was a church downtown on Nelson Street I believe another so that provides me with some confidence that the heritage commitment is there and will be fulfilled and we are losing a lot of our heritage as our city grows as it needs to grow So I look at sort of the two key public benefits of retaining the go ballet in the city, improving their space and their ability to continue to serve people in a better way, and retaining the heritage. We will learn. This will be, I think, almost a bit like a real-life pilot around getting to some clarity around some issues. or questions perhaps some may be issues some may be questions around how we we treat student housing I will acknowledge that councillor Dominato has been a long champion of student housing and brought a motion forward previously to look at advancing this we still don't have a framework on that so this does provide us with an opportunity to work towards defining something and that would include things like ensuring how the covenant is treated, who has access to the accommodation, how that is managed and monitored as sort of a best practice, and to work through a number of those specific issues. And I'll also note, too, that while it is a particularly narrow site at 62 feet of frontage, our city has to this date been a very young city. that has had the benefit of not being constrained by space as much, despite the fact we're between the ocean and the mountains, because we didn't have the population. And so we have always been able to adhere to sort of larger frontages and larger lots. A lot of interesting cities do have a lot of infill buildings like this, and I think it's more appropriate, particularly when there's a heritage or another rationalization for it, as opposed to sort of wholeheartedly endorsing narrow frontages. So I think that's an important consideration to think about as well. I'll also note too that a lot of the questions, and I think it was a good discussion that were raised by council with things like the minimum room size. My understanding from that conversation is that that would still be required. And so that is not sort of a discussion point. These are pieces that were listed as conditions within the report as articulated should council consider the alternative recommendation, which is what I'm proposing now. So I hope that provides some context around it. And then I'll let councillors comment. Thanks.
Yes. Can I speak to the motion then? Yeah. Go ahead then. We don't have to change queues. I'm happy to support this and I was asking a lot of questions earlier around time frame because I was actually surprised that this was coming forward as a referral back to staff and appreciating the system we work within and as was articulated sort of the approaches to dealing with these items even though we're not in a public hearing per se. I think the opportunity here lies in an intentional discussion between staff and the applicant around addressing the persistent concerns that are outlined in the presentation, that are outlined in the report. I think many of these things can be accommodated. And specifically to the actual need, we know, we heard very clearly from Chan, the needs of the dance studio and working within the constraints of an existing heritage building that is clearly, when you've got buckets to grab water that's dropping from the ceiling and so on, it's not... ideal for a dancing studio. The other, and so, and then I think speaking to the actual student housing component, obviously the housing for the dancers, but also for other students, the reason I was asking about the domestic need is that while we have curtailed immigration in many ways in this country, there is still a domestic need for student housing. And when you look at where this building, the site is situated, it's just a block from the Broadway line that will be open soon. And so it creates a great opportunity for students going to UBC, for example, but also accessible to others going to other post-secondary institutions in the lower mainland. And we are a hub for post-secondary. And so I think there's an opportunity there. And again, I think there can be greater conversation about those units, about partnerships. I know some of my colleagues will speak to that in terms of opportunities. And so I think this project has a lot of merit. And my hope is that these issues can be addressed as part of the process. And I think everyone's there at earnest at the table. So I'm happy to support it. I think it's an important part of the city and the contributions not only from the dance studio, but the potential for the student housing as well.
Thank you. Yeah, thanks. I don't need to add too much more to the comments just given by Councillors Kirby Young and Domonato, except that I do think that we sometimes find ourselves wanting for trying to send signals to our artists and our arts and culture sector that we really do value them. And this is, I think, one of those things that we can do. Go Ballet has been an absolute staple and important institution in the city. But as we've seen through some of the work we've done with the Dance Center Society, for example, it takes a lot of creativity. It requires a lot of support from community to try and make sure that these institutions, especially when they have a purpose-built building for their artists to train and demonstrate their art, we really do need to try and find inventive ways of solving those issues. And certainly, Compster Dominata, we supported earlier some direction on student housing. We know that the Broadway line will be an absolute transformative amenity that will allow this particular place connect to other parts of the city and would allow for people to live here more affordably as a result. So again, just would like to support the recommendation as... as tabled now and the alternative recommendation. And I would like to hopefully see through this process that we come up with an incredibly important cultural amenity in our city. Thanks.
Well, I hate to come out as the contrarian here, but I... I can't reconcile some of the staff recommendations. This does come from our professional planning staff and their concerns around the unit size and their concerns around shadowing and parking and loading. And I mean, I think there's a lot of valid concerns. And I think that. That, you know, I think. The pathway forward that staff have suggested, and I think is probably appropriate, is referring this back to staff to do that additional work and come up with something that is a little bit more compliant. I am a little concerned with the micro suite kind of configuration and the fact that we don't actually have a defined... student housing, which I believe that, you know, sounds great, but I think that it needs to be codified and it needs to have appropriate tenant protections if that's going to be applicable. And there's a bunch of stuff that I think that needs to happen on this. And I would be supportive of an amendment to the referral to expedite the staff work on this, but I struggle with... What I believe this is just basically passing it as presented, unless the mover wants to correct me on that. It seems that this is passing what's been presented in the application, and I'm struggling with that.
Yeah, and I had to step away for the last part of the meeting before we broke for lunch, and so I just wonder if the point of information through you, Chair, if I can better understand the implications of approving this as an alternate sort of path forward and what that means in terms of taking these recommendations back and continuing to work with The applicant, and if you can add just the context, I mean, it's pretty significant, 100 square feet essentially from our minimum unit size to what's being proposed. Seems like a lot when you're only talking about 397 or 98 is our minimum and 269 or whatever it is in this one. So those two pieces.
Yeah, thank you for the question. So again, our effort is always to make sure that the applicant's proposal is presented to council for consideration. What I will say, though, and just for absolute clarity, the alternate resolution and the conditions of approval kind of go together. So the bylaw that's attached to the report in Appendix A, the conditions in Appendix B are what's now on the floor for consideration. Within Appendix B of the conditions, we have regulated the minimum unit size to comply with our zoning development bylaw. So we do expect that there will need to be changes to the proposal at DP stage to comply with the bylaw conditions. So you will see larger units, not smaller units. You will see other design development improvements at the DP stage. But what you can certainly expect is that this scale, this size, this context of a proposal is what's currently before you in Appendix A and B of the report, including the housing agreement.
Okay.
Okay, and is it fair to say had there been more time, we may have seen something that would have gotten there eventually that would have been supportable by staff?
As mentioned in the staff report, a tower at this location on this small of a site is going to be continually challenging to address through some of these issues. I think the more time would have certainly had the opportunity to work through some of the student housing kind of commentary, as well as some of the other parking and loading requirements. But again, if council is inclined to support this project, we will certainly be doing that through the conditions of approval at the DP stage as well.
Okay, I'll come off for now. Thank you.
Councillor Meiszner. Yeah, thanks, Chair. Just following up on Councillor Bligh's question, just for clarity for myself, for you, to staff, just because of the unique situation with this alternate recommendation being moved or this recommendation being moved proposed by my colleague, the conditions in the design development appendix A and B still apply, correct? Like there's no way to override those through this process?
Thank you for the question. So as presented, these conditions are kind of a middle ground where staff have tried to apply our judgment of how the proposal could be considered within the confines of our zoning development bylaw and other design conditions and standards. If you wanted to vary or modify those conditions, we'd have to start striking out conditions or modifying conditions, which can be quite complex, depending on what that change is.
Yeah, okay.
And I will... I will just add as well that there is opportunity. We do have revision processes. So if some of these things become unworkable later, we have processes to bring revisions back for council consideration too.
Okay, thanks. I'll just say that I do feel a bit more comfort with moving this forward, knowing that those conditions are in these appendices because they do speak to many of the concerns that I've had around the building form. and the size of the units, et cetera. So I will be supporting the motion on the floor. Thanks. Thank you. Councillor Fry?
Yeah, Chair, if I may, through you back to staff, just to get a little bit more clarity on this Appendix B, because I'm getting a little bit confused. So the suggestion is that Appendix B will modify the proposed unit sizes to be more compliant with our standard unit size. Does that mean less units on the whole? Does this... make the pro forma still work?
Thank you for the question. So again, just for clarity, there are conditions in Appendix B that would limit the unit size to comply with the zoning development bylaws. So instead of 200, minimum 320 up to 398. So the effect is if you've got the same height and the same FSR, you have fewer units to accommodate that square footage of any unit.
And so just to get clarity, I mean, has that been discussed? Does that make this project still viable and workable if they've got... Less, but bigger units.
Fair question. And so we have discussed all of these conditions. These aren't surprises to the applicant. I'll have to defer to them as to whether or not they, through design development stages and as we work through the next steps, if there are challenges, if there's challenges, again, we have processes where we can come back for consideration of modifications as well. And that comes back to a future council? Correct. Right. If you're going to change conditions or the bylaw, we have to come back to council.
Yeah, I think that answered my question about coming back to council. But through you, Chair, to staff, maybe also, again, there was mention of around the heritage component also triggering a public hearing. Is that also on the table or is that taken care of here?
So as a condition of enactment of the bylaw, they have to come back for a public hearing to meet the Vancouver Charter requirements around the heritage designation. So to designate the property in accordance with the provisions and the requirements of the Heritage Retention Plan.
So you will have another public hearing on the heritage aspect as well.
Okay, perfect. Thank you. Seeing no one else in the queue, I'm going to call the vote on Councillor Kirby Young's amendment.
So please go to the voting panel.
And that passes with Councillor Maloney in opposition.
Okay.
Good. Thank you, Chair.
Seeing no one else in the queue, why don't we bring the main motion as amended to a vote.
And that passes unanimously. And that completes item number 19.
Okay, moving along. Item number 21. Thank you. CD-1 rezoning 5027 through 5053, Boundary Road. Before we begin this agenda item, are there any conflicts of interest to disclose? No. This item does have a presentation. Councillor Zhou, move to waive. Seconded by Councillor Klassen. Any discussion? All those in favour of waiving the presentation, say aye. All those opposed, say nay. One, two, three. So, clerk, is it simple majority? Okay. So, and did you get that for the record, councillors, or Bly and Fry opposed? Okay, so we will waive the presentation. Would the applicant like to make a presentation?
Good afternoon, councillors. Adam Gruchella for MOSIS Architecture. We don't have a presentation to make today, but we're happy to answer any questions from council.
Thank you very much. Council, you have up to five minutes to ask questions of team members to the applicant. Are there any questions? Councillor Fry, please go ahead.
Yeah, so a question, I guess, for staff. This is being approved as a social housing project. I looked and I can't find anything really of note about the applicant as a social housing provider. How does this work?
Are they the sole applicant as well? under MSIAC rezoning plan around the project. There's two applicants on the file, two property owners, but when it comes to the non-profit that's going to be operating, I'll defer answering more specifics around that to our housing staff, and then maybe the applicant can supplement with some of their experience and background as well.
Yeah, and I'm curious because, you know, obviously we have some rigor around social housing providers, and then we just had the earlier conversation around VRS, and so I'm curious how this knits together. And to hear from the applicant, too, sure.
Thank you for the question. The applicant has indicated that they are partnering with Orpheus Housing Society, and they're a newly established nonprofit organization.
So do we, where do we show the sort of the rigor in selecting or in determining nonprofit housing providers?
Yeah, I mean, we don't regulate who and select the operator if it's a non-profit operator for a site unless it's a city-owned site. So in this case, it can be owned and operated by a non-profit that's not selected by the city. But we have, in this case, asked for documentation to verify their status as a registered non-profit, and they have provided that to the city.
Okay, I mean, this is a significantly scaled project to deliver nonprofit housing for an organization that has never done nonprofit. In the event that they aren't able to fulfill their obligation under this, I'm assuming there's a covenant that ties it to be nonprofit housing, or does it tie it to that organization?
So there will be a housing agreement registered on title that will require the building to be owned by a non-profit organization or government. So that will be a requirement tied to the site, the housing agreement in place, that it's non-profit or government-owned social housing.
So in the event that Orpheus is unable to fulfill their obligation, it would... necessitate a new nonprofit to run the before occupancy?
That's correct. There will be a hold on the occupancy permit. It will not be issued until there is proof that it is on title, that it's owned by a nonprofit or government entity.
Good morning, Mayor and members of Council. My name is Leo Pascalidis. I am a founder of Orpheus Housing Society of Canada, as well a licensed realtor, working professional, a licensed mortgage broker, a developer and builder for the last 22 to 25 years. of experience in real estate, finance, and development construction. Joining with me in this project is my partner, who is Mr. Gurdesh Dhillon, founder and owner of Morrison Windows, who brings decades of experience in manufacturing, business operations, community investments. Together, our team represents more than 60 years of combined experience in the real estate development, construction, financing, and project delivery. First and foremost, I would like to sincerely thank the mayor, members of council, staff, consultants, and everyone who has contributed their time and expertise throughout the rezoning process. We recognize the tremendous amount of work that has gone into evaluating projects of this scale. We truly appreciate and collaborate with effort that has gone or has brought to us to this point. Pretty much just a breakdown of who I am. I've been a licensed builder and developer for decades. I've done more than 500 units of rental management in my career. I've done real estate acquisitions for commercial residential. I've financed commercial residential construction through CMHC. I'm very well known with the ACLP program when it comes to financing multifamily developments and what the criteria is for debt servicing to service the loans. And so being that I have the background of... And I'm sure we're at time.
Yes, Mayor, thanks. I'm happy to let you finish, and then I have a question for you.
It's the applicant.
It's the applicant. Yeah, but these are, we're in questions now. We're not in a presentation by the applicant. It's different.
Just questions. So if you could reset my timer, Clarice. Just continue with your response, and then I have a question for you.
Thanks. Pretty much, tonight we are here to present Morrison Park, a project that represents much more than a residential building. It is a long-term investment in housing, affordability, community well-being, economic reliance, and environmental sustainability. Housing affordability remains one of the greatest challenges facing Vancouver today. Family, seniors, essential workers, young professionals, and individuals entering the housing market continue to struggle to find stable, secure, and affordable place to live. We believe private industry, nonprofit organizations, and government must work together to help address this challenge. Morrison Park has been designated to do exactly that. The project will provide 216 purpose-built rental homes within a mixed income community consisting of approximately 30% affordable housing, which is social housing, and 70% market rental. The balanced approach allows the market rental component to support the long-term financial viability of the affordable housing while creating a diverse and inclusive community where people from different backgrounds and income levels can live together.
One of the features we are particularly proud of is its inclusive 74-space licensed child daycare facility, which will not only serve families living within the development, but will also provide an important community amenity of the surrounding neighborhood. Access to quality child care is essential to supporting working families, encouraging early childhood education and strengthening neighborhoods. Beyond housing, our objective is to create a complete community of residents that have access to services that improve quality of life and encourage long-term stability. As the economic environment continues to evolve, developments must also evolve. Projects can no longer focus solely on constructing buildings. They must also consider affordability environmentally, responsibility, operating efficiency, and long-term resilience. Every successful development requires a strong financial foundation, but we also believe every development should deliver multiple benefits to the community, not just one. The philosophy has guided every decision. That philosophy has guided every decision we have made throughout the planning of Morrison Park. The project has been designed to support families strengthening the local economy, create employment opportunities during construction and long-term operations, generate a significant property tax revenue and contribute positively to the surrounding neighborhood for decades to come. Looking towards the future, Morrison Park has been planned with sustainability and innovation in mind. While today, applications focus on the residential development itself, we believe future communities should be designed to integrate emerging clean energy technologies, improve building efficiency, and reduce greenhouse gas emissions wherever practical. Our long-term vision is to ensure developments like Morrison Park remain adaptable to future technologies that benefit both residents and the broader community. The project represents years of planning, engineering, collaboration, and consultation with the city staff, professional consultants, and numerous stakeholders. We have worked diligently to ensure the proposed aligns with the city's planning objectives while delivering meaningful public benefit. On behalf of Orpheus' Housing Society of Canada, our entire consulting team, and our partners, I would like to sincerely thank staff through professionalism guidance dedicated throughout this process. Their expertise has been invaluable in helping shape a project that we believe will serve Vancouver well for generations. Finally, I would like to thank the mayor, members of council, for our time, consideration, and commitment to addressing one of the most important issues facing our city today. We respectfully ask for your support of the Morrison Park social housing development. Together, we have the opportunity to deliver not only much-needed housing, but also a stronger, more inclusive, and more resilient community for current and future generations. Thank you, and I would be pleased to answer any of your questions, Councilman Hebb.
Councilman Domenaro, you have the floor.
for this project. My other question is, have you done this before, undertaken a project like this, a social housing project?
I've built commercial before. I've done commercial development. So I'm very familiar with how it works as far as the process goes and all the working professionals that are involved. So whether you're building a 10-story building or a six-story or even a three-story building, when it's commercial zoned, it's the same process. You still need civil engineers. You need working architectural professionals, mechanical, electrical, plumbing. And you basically need a team, a construction team.
Thank you.
Thanks very much. Happy to move a second round, just given the time has been used by some comments by the applicant.
Is there a seconder? Great. Any discussion? All in favor say yay. All opposed say nay. If that passes, we will have a second round.
Great. Just a couple of follow-up questions and appreciate, you know, in terms of, so first of all, the child care, do you have a proponent who's going to run the child care?
Yes, we do.
Can you share anything about the proponent?
Yeah, so we've met with Coastal Health on site, and they're very interested in the site. They're very happy. They're supportive. Um, the application is for 74, uh, 74 childcare facility. The facility is located on the rear side of the building. So it's private. It's West West facing. So there's sunlight. We have open exposure. There is about a 6,000 square feet of child.
So I see all that in the report. Don't we don't get a lot of time. So I just want to, yeah. So you met with VCH from a compliance perspective. Yes. Yeah. But do you have a private operator is what I was asking.
Yes, we do.
Are you able to share anything more about the private operator?
Yeah, so the operator would be working for Orpheus Housing Society.
So is it Orpheus Housing Society?
Yes, currently she operates and owns three facilities herself. And would you like the name of them?
Oh, it's up to you, whatever you like.
Yeah, so Swan Daycare is the childcare daycare facility provider, and they are the ones that were on site, and they're the ones that helped us design the building as well.
Okay, and given that it's social housing, and it sounds like this child care operator may have some affiliation to Orpheus in its social housing, as they say, how will the child care be structured in terms of affordability? As far as affordability goes... Is the goal to have the people who live in the social housing...
Absolutely. So we're not restricting the people that are occupying the building. In fact, we promote that.
But from an affordability perspective, do you expect?
Yeah, so there are subsidies available that they can apply for to help facilitate the cost to have children enrolled in daycare. And so as far as the economics go, I can't really get into how much those subsidies are, but I do know that the subsidies are available for any daycare, no matter where they're located in the city of Vancouver.
Well, it's up to the operator.
No.
Or you mean subsidies through the province?
Yeah, so all daycares, facilities that are operated, do work with subsidies, government subsidies.
That's what I mean, but you're not providing subsidies internally with the child care?
No, there is an internal space. It's 3,000 square feet and there's 6,000 square feet of exterior space in the building.
Sorry, if I'm not being clear, it's my fault. I'm just trying to get a clear picture of what's happening with the child care. I understand how subsidies work provincially. I'm just asking whether or not this privately owned child care will be structuring its business model to... to provide the most cost-effective or affordable child care to the residents that live, given it's a social housing building. What I'm hearing is they would need to go through a separate subsidy program.
No, we would be able to provide all that information for all the applicants that have children that come to the facility.
Okay. Your new society...
Of course, we all have to start somewhere.
Exactly. So what was your jumping off point? Because it's pretty noble to have 21 stories of social housing in this current environment. We don't actually see it a lot without significant government funding or other partners, but it's not clear from this application how you're structuring this.
So basically, I'm one of the founders of Orpheus Housing Society. The other founder is my partner. His name is Gertesh S. Dillon. He's the owner and operator of Morrison Windows.
Together, we've created an alliance to create Orpheus Housing Society so that we can build social housing development throughout the lower mainland. So it's not just a one-off of 21 stories.
Do you receive government subsidy for your housing?
Unfortunately, subsidies are not available at this time.
So you're doing it all.
That's correct. So we're, we're financing it ourselves. We're backing the mortgage with CMHC through the ACLP program. And so with our financial capacity combined together, we can facilitate projects of this magnitude.
Okay. I'll leave it there. It's my time. I'll come back on. Thanks.
Yeah, so it's very interesting and somewhat unusual. I actually don't see Orpheus in the report. I saw it in the rendering package. The applicants being the two numbered companies, is that you and your partner?
The numbered company is the holding company of the property, and Orpheus Housing Society is a completely separate company that is registered as a society.
The two numbered companies are the ones that are holding the property as we speak, yes.
Okay. Maybe, and this is maybe over to staff, because again, this is... Not consistent. Yeah, thank you, Leo. Just as far as the FSR being proposed here is quite a leap from the outright. And it's not necessarily consistent with the transit-oriented areas. It's specifically because this is coming in as a social housing application.
A stipulation in the TOA and ODP where there's additional flexibility for higher density because of 100% social housing.
And so this prescribed higher density is compliant with the TOA social housing construct?
It is, yes. Okay. And as we're defining the social housing, that means... owned by a nonprofit society with 20% below market? It would be 3% at Hills. 3% at Hills. Okay. Is this, I mean, I can't recall an application similar to this. Is this fairly, I mean, just the brand new housing provider. I'm just worried that this is setting a precedent for like a pretty significant upzoning where on a new product, basically.
When it comes to nonprofits and new ones being set up to manage, I'll refer to our housing staff to maybe supplement that. But when it comes to reviewing projects and whether they're setting precedent, we look at those on a set-by-set basis. You're agnostic, yeah, for sure.
Dan Garrison, Director of Housing Policy and Regulation. So this is not a usual situation for a new housing society to be proposing a project of this particularity, of this scale, but we do have examples in the past of new housing societies forming and putting projects forward, if I think... It wasn't that many years ago that Catalyst Community Development Society was a brand-new housing society with no track record putting projects forward, and so they've grown to be one of the larger operators in the region. So I understand the line of questioning because this is unusual, but, I mean, we do deal with new housing societies forming.
you do a performer review and do you check the kind of yeah we generally do a check what we what we generally find is with non-profit projects like rental projects are having trouble penciling right now so as soon as you put on the requirement that 30 percent of the units rent to households with incomes below the housing income limits rent geared to income that sort of thing it tends to mean the projects would require some some form of investment to make them happen So we don't typically see things like land lift or challenges with performer reviews on these projects. I will say there will be covenants on title that will require the site and the building to be beneficially and legally owned by a nonprofit society or government agency. So that will be in place.
Thanks.
This is a question for staff. In terms of the child care, are we familiar with the child care operator on child care? I know they're not necessarily part of the applicant. The only reason I ask is there's a Shape Your City application from 2023, and I wonder if that went through all the way to DP, and we know that that's actually been built.
We had conversations with the applicant around providing a space for a child care provider, and we understood that that space was not secured through this application. We're not familiar with additional details beyond that, Counselor.
Okay. Maybe I can just ask, because it is under the Orpheus social housing, this swan child care you mentioned?
Yes, that's correct.
So... What happened with this site at 3604 Tanner Street? Did that get constructed, or is that a home-based child care?
3604 Tanner Street is not us.
Well, on your website, it says Swan Child Care, and it says location.
That's Swan Child Care, yes. So Swan Child Care is a separate entity. It's not owned by us. It's owned by a third party, and that third party assisted us in designing and laying out the facility with regards to the timelines of the children entering and playing and is going to be managing or a part of Orpheus managing the daycare facility.
Okay. Are they a current child care provider?
Yes, they are.
Do they have locations that you're aware of?
They have three locations, yes.
Okay. It's just, yeah, there's... Just because you offered that up, there is no record of their other locations, so I'm not familiar. I'll come off and allow Councillor Kirby-Young, and then I'll come back on.
Yeah, thanks. I'll be brief. I haven't asked questions yet, but I don't intend to be long. A question, I guess, for staff, just to clarify, and I think Council's doing its due diligence around a new operator we're not familiar with, and I... really appreciate how difficult these projects are to deliver. So my question is not to cast any aspersion. It's just to provide counsel with assurance. There is a covenant on these units. So say, for example, the building were to be constructed, that covenant to covenant the full building as social housing would restrict any future change of tenure to market or something else. Is that correct?
I'd like our housing staff to take that question now, please.
Thank you for the question. Sarah Robin, housing. That's correct. At occupancy, when the building is completed, there is a coveted in place that it can only be occupied as social housing.
For 60 years of the life of the building? Are those the parameters?
That's correct. That's the only tenure.
Okay. And the applicant is well aware of that?
They're aware, and it's a condition of approval.
Okay. Thank you.
Sorry, I had someone in my ear here. Okay. Yes. Thank you. Seconded by Councillor Klassen. Council, is there any discussion?
Okay.
All right.
Yeah, I appreciate the discussion and, you know, the opportunity to ask questions. It's actually quite unusual that we have an application, I think, like this without sort of just a clear roadmap of how this actually becomes successful in terms of financing the project at the end of the day. I have, based on what you shared, and I can only go by what we've heard from the applicant, I appreciate you being here. I'm left with more questions than answers, to be quite honest, in terms of how this works for you. And while I appreciate sort of how you've described the opportunity to provide below-market housing, affordable housing, Something just feels a little odd to me. Like, I'm not sure why electrification of charging, which we oftentimes are looking for and rarely come sort of fully planned out with a 74 space child care in this instance. The information I've gotten, I don't feel. leaves me with a tremendous amount of confidence that I've got the full picture here, I'm just saying, so not to cast any aspersions and appreciate we've got process in place, but these are quasi-judicial hearings for a reason, and while this is not a traditional public hearing, it still needs to sort of beat that threshold, and so I'm going to reserve my right to vote in accordance with what I have, and I don't feel like I have enough to really get a clear picture of how this goes from this stage all the way through to successful development. So I'm going to oppose today.
Yeah, thanks, Mayor. That actually triggered a question for me. At the point of parliamentary procedure for our clerks and legal staff is that in this new construct of rezoning items coming to council because they're prohibited from going to public hearing because of compliance with their ODP and provincial statutes, are these quasi-judicial proceedings anymore, or are they treated differently now?
Short answer is they're not a quasi-judicial setting. I think we did send some information along through council at one point to this effect. So it is still a council meeting, but we're not in the quasi-judicial public forum that you would have in a public hearing. So general counsel.
No, that's helpful.
And no, I appreciate that. I'll leave it there for now. Thanks.
Yeah, thanks very much. And there is, that's a very good point of clarification as we adjust to this new process, but gives me even more reason to pause. And I think I would have liked to have had more understanding and information outside of what's just sort of available in this process. So, again, we'll be voting against.
Mr. Fry? Yeah, I'm still struggling with some of the missing pieces on this, and I'm wondering if I could just ask one last question of staff through you, Chair. um have we come across scenarios where i mean we revise we do text amendments on approved applications all the time and come back and and change the parameters is it conceivable that if this doesn't play out as a social housing project that it comes back and it's like well look we've already built it can we just convert this into market and call it a day
Great question. So there's always opportunities for applicants to come back and seek modifications. We have processes between public hearing and enactment. We have processes after enactment. You considered a project earlier this week that is already built that was looking for changes in tenure from residential to hotel. So there are opportunities for that, and each project would be weighed on the merits of its application. In other circumstances earlier this week, it kind of still fit the new emerging policy out of that local plan. The enabling policy for this project, this scale right now, is because it's 100% social housing and for no other reason. Otherwise, the permissible policies are more like six to eight stories.
Right, and so, okay, I mean, but at the same time it's delivering housing, so if it was to come back as market housing, if for whatever reason it couldn't perform as a social housing, they wanted to get rid of the 30% hills, you could conceivably, staff would be bringing, for a future council, bringing back a text amendment to say, you know what, we're going to just make this market...
It would be also unusual, but a short answer is we intake projects, we must process them, we'll bring them to council for decision, and if the council of the day wanted to unwind components of that, you have the authority to do that through those systems. Whether or not it triggers a public hearing and details are all subject to whatever that application might be.
Okay, thanks, Templar. I appreciate that. I still have so many unanswered sort of questions in my head. I'm struggling to give full support to this. I'll probably end up abstaining because I just don't have the complete confidence in this.
Thanks. Just one further question through you, Chair, to staff is when did this application come in?
I'm just going to check my notes here, Councillor, for the exact date.
September 12th, 2025.
Just relatively quickly, that it's coming to public, or whatever this process is, to a council meeting, given the ODP. And your Orpheus was established in 2024?
that right applicant I don't know if he's there yeah okay okay um when one point of clarification we have been working with staff since October 2024 on a social housing project on this site that's when we submitted the formal letter of inquiry as the architect or as the applicant as the architect and the applicant so still this arrangement same arrangement yes
Okay. Okay.
Okay, one last question. This SWAN child care, I mean, that really is not something that the staff are going to be involved in, right? Because that really is a privately owned child care. That's between the applicant and the proponent of the child or the provider. That's correct, Counselor.
Okay.
Do we do any due diligence in looking into those things, given that, you know, child care is a pretty important public amenity and the conditions and regulations around providing child care are fairly, like, restricted? I hear there's, I think, 6,000 square feet of outdoor space?
There's 6,000 indoor space and 3,000 outdoor space. Okay. So 6,000 indoors. Okay.
Okay. Yeah, I mean, I appreciate the question so far. There are checks and balances, of course, for staff to be following up on this. I just have to say, I mean, even just having the light touch of information, 74 Space Child Care, the Swan Child Care, what I can find online looks like a pretty generic website with no locations other than an address that looks like in the basement of a house. So I really hope that staff can take that away and just... put a pin in that as a point of comment from this council, from me as a councillor now, that I have quite a lot of reservations about what that looks like and needs to be, the due diligence needs to be there, hopefully, as this moves through the process. So, again, I think at the end of the day, I just don't have enough information to vote in favor, but I may abstain. Thanks.
Thank you. Okay. Seeing no one else in the queue, I'm going to call the vote. If we can please go to the voting panel.
And that passes with councillors Bly, Fry and Orr.
Okay.
Being that that was our last rezoning, or this is our last rezoning meeting, I do want to thank everyone on council, all our team members, the applicants, everyone that's put in so much work together. Look, there's been an extraordinary volume of... applications that have come through this chamber over the last four years. And these are pretty complex files that require a lot of collaboration with team members and the applicants. And it takes incredibly careful consideration, often late at night, as especially we've discovered that again over the past couple of weeks by all the decision makers being on council, but also everyone that shows up here because everyone has to be ready to ask questions. And I know we do have a whole group of diverse views looking at projects differently. You know, I actually think that makes us stronger. And, you know, sometimes we go through, you know, issues that, you know, don't get across the line per se. You know, and I know it's frustrating, but I think the process in general is pretty robust. And, you know, when people feel disappointed, I actually think that's incredibly healthy because that really shows how much people care. And with that together, we actually have collectively accomplished quite a bit. So in 2026 alone, council considered 127 rezonings. including over 30,000 homes, hotels, job spaces, and hundreds of millions of dollars worth of public benefits that will benefit Vancouverites. So everyone in this chamber, everyone who's put work into it, you should be really proud of yourselves. You've definitely made... Vancouver a better place and you've affected so many lives people future generations that will be able to live here kids that will be able to grow up in neighborhoods across the city people being able to find jobs close to home you know the list goes on and on and so On behalf of Council, I want to thank everyone here. And I'd actually like to invite Josh up to say a few words because you've been leading the charge on this.
Yeah, thank you, Mayor and Council. I really appreciate those words. And I would echo that appreciation back to Council. I know we present a lot of information, a lot of complex applications. It's a reflection of many hours of works. We've just been through an extraordinary period of A VOLUME UNPRECEDENTED IN OUR HISTORY WE AS YOU DESCRIBE APPROVED AND CONSIDERED THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF HOUSING UNITS AND THAT APPRECIATION EXTENDS TO NOT ONLY MY WONDERFUL COLLEAGUES IN PDS WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH A LOT IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN COMPLETE THESE APPLICATIONS FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION BUT IT IS AN EFFORT ACROSS THE ENTIRE corporation as well many hands touch these applications across the city and then of course i want to thank our applicants as well that work so closely with us and that build our city so appreciate those words and appreciate the opportunity to uh to share my gratitude as well thanks josh thanks team um well done okay uh bylaws bylaw uh so we're on bylaws now uh bylaw 24 and 26 through 29
have been withdrawn at the request of team members, and By-law 31 was approved yesterday, immediately following unfinished business. We now have 32 by-laws left on the agenda for enactment. We will consider by-laws 1 through 23, 25, 30, 32, through 38. Before we begin the agenda item, are there any conflicts of interest to disclose? No? Okay. Uh, council members who were absent for the public hearings related to the bylaws must confirm that they have reviewed the proceedings of the meetings, including the video clip to be eligible to vote. Bylaw two was from the public hearing on September the 15th, 2020. Councillors Classen, Maloney, Meisner, Montague or Joe and myself were not on council at the time of the public hearing. Councillor Klassen, have you reviewed the proceedings and will you be voting on the enactment?
I have and I will.
Councillor Montague?
I have not and I will not.
Councillor Zhou? I have not and I will not. Bylaws 3 and 4 were from the public hearing on February 5, 2026. Councillors Bly, Fry and Orr were absent for this item at the public hearing. Councillor Bligh, have you reviewed the proceedings and will you be voting on the enactment? Councillor Fry? Councillor Orr? By-law 6 was from the public hearing on May 30, 2024. Councillors Maloney, Orr, and myself were absent for this item at the public hearing. Councillor Maloney, have you reviewed the proceedings and will you be voting on the enactment? Councillor Orr?
I have not and I will not. By-laws 7 and 8 were from the public hearing on February 12, and 26, 2026. Councillor Frye was absent for this item at the public hearing. Councillor Frye, have you reviewed the proceedings and will you be voting? Right. Bylaw 9 was from the public hearing on February the 17th and March the 4th, 2026. Councillors Kirby Young and myself were absent for this item at the public hearing. Councillor Kirby Young, have you reviewed the proceedings and will you be voting? And I have not and I will not. Bylaw 10 was from the public hearing on February the 26th, 2026. Councillors Bly, Fry, Kirby Young, Joe and myself were absent for this item at public hearing. Councillor Bligh, have you reviewed the proceedings and will you be voting? Great. Councillor Fry? Councillor Kirby-Young? Councillor Zhou? Great. I have not and will not. As by-law 4 is subject to the approval of by-law 3, would someone like to move a motion to first adopt by-law 3? Councillor Claston, seconded by Councillor Dominato. Councillors are in discussion. All those in favour say yay. All those opposed say nay. Great. The motion carries unanimously. Would someone like to bring a motion to adopt the remaining bylaws? So that would be 1, 2, 4 through 23, 25, 30, 32 through 38. Moved by Councillor Domenato, seconded by Councillor Kirby-Young. Council, is there any discussion? All those in favour say yay. All those opposed say nay. Great. The motion carries unanimously. The list of approved bylaws can be found on the city's website. Administrative motions. Closure and exchange of portions of road adjacent to 961 West 19th Avenue. Before we begin this agenda item, are there any conflicts of interest to disclose?
Before we go there, council, are there any questions to team members? Great. So Councillor Domenato moved. It's seconded by Councillor Claston. Council, is there any discussion? All those in favour say yay. All those opposed say nay. Great. The motion carries unanimously. Item number two, adoption of amended Heatherlands design guidelines. Before we begin, any conflicts to disclose? Council, are there any questions to team members? Would someone like to move the motion? Councillor Dominato, thank you. Seconded by Councillor Kirby-Young, thank you. Council, is there any discussion? All those in favour, say yay. All those opposed, say nay. Great, the motion carries unanimously. Item number three, updating development contributions, a new framework for financing growth, 2027 through 2036. Before we begin, are there any conflicts to disclose? Council, are there any questions to team members? Would someone like to move a motion? Great. Councillor Dominato, seconded by Councillor Klassen. Councillor, there's any discussion? Okay. All those in favour, say aye. All those opposed, say nay. Great. The motion carries unanimously. Item number four, Villages Plant.
Oh, sorry. Thank you. There you go.
Okay. Notice the council member motions. Are there any notice of council member motions for the upcoming standing committee meetings? A reminder to please state the title of the motion and the date of the standing committee meeting on which you intend to move the motion and be sure to send the title and date of the standing committee meeting via email to the city clerk.
Okay. Counselor. Hold on a sec. Counselor Orr.
Thanks. I have a number of motions, and they're all for the Standing Committee November 18th. A motion titled Housing with Supports, Improving Public Safety by Tackling Root Causes. A motion titled Re-Energize Vancouver, Reducing Carbon Pollution in New and Existing Commercial and Multifamily Buildings. A motion titled Save the Caps, Working to Keep the White Caps in Vancouver. A motion titled Living It Up, Making the City of Vancouver a Livable Wage Employer Again. A motion titled Delivering on the Vancouver Social Housing Initiative. A motion titled No More Risky Business, Fair Leases for Small Businesses in Vancouver. A motion titled Stop the Gold Rush, Revisiting the Downtown Eastside Oppenheimer District Plan. A motion titled Fully Funding the Restorative Vancouver Framework. A motion titled Adopting a Ranked Ballot for Mayor. A motion titled Closing Landlord Loopholes, Advocating for Provincial Authority on Vacancy Control. A motion titled A Public Voice for Public Decisions, Strengthening Engagement in City Decision Making. A motion entitled An Improvement Tax on Unused and Underused Land. A motion titled Introducing the People's Audit. A motion titled Rainy Day Fund, Funding for a Covered Bench at Every Bus Stop in Vancouver. That's everything. Yeah, I mean... All for November 18th, yeah.
And you made Dan laugh.
Yeah, I just have one sole one. It may be silly season, but I don't need to be silly. I'm just going to be focused, and I'm going to deliver one, which is entitled to continuing to build a vibrant Vancouver.
Thank you very much. For the November 18th standing. Which standing committee meeting is that for?
For the November 18th standing committee. Thank you.
Thanks, Mayor. I also have one notice of motion for the November 18th standing committee meeting entitled Growing a Stronger Future for Vancouver's Farmers' Markets.
Thanks. I've got two motions for the November 18 Standing Committee meeting. The first one is strengthening safeguards against tax avoidance for unbuilt housing sites. And the second is reinstating the full-time seniors lead planner position to address ongoing support needs among seniors. Thanks.
Councillor Claussen.
Thanks, Chair. I am feeling a little inadequate to just posting one notice of motion, but the title is Bringing Forward Zero-Based Budgeting. It's for the Standing Committee of November 18, 2026, submitted by myself. Thanks.
And myself, I have two for the November 18th Standing Committee meeting. The first one is Ending the Pools Reservation System. And the second one is Upholding Public Safety. Counselor Zhou.
Yeah, thanks. Just one motion for the November 18th Standing Committee meeting. The title is Recognizing Chinese Heritage Month in the City of Vancouver.
Councillor Meiszner. Just one motion entitled Restoring Balance, Moving Away from OPS and Embracing Compassionate Intervention for November 18th Standing Committee. Thank you very much.
Okay, seeing no one else in the queue. New business. We have one item of new business on the agenda today and requests for leaves of absence. This motion has been circulated to council at the beginning of the meeting and is available on the screen.
And so, yeah, we don't need that.
We can just actually...
I don't think we need those anymore.
So if that motion isn't moved or seconded, then it dies on the floor. So... Would someone like to move the motion? Okay, great. So that doesn't move, and so it's null and void. Council, are there any other items of new business?
Oh, sorry, Councillor.
Yeah, and I'm hoping Council will indulge. As we were all so consumed with our public hearings, I was forced to miss the Racial Ethno Advisory Committee meeting, and they had asked me to submit this motion, but I wasn't there. And we all... Yesterday morning celebrated Emancipation Day, which acknowledges the end of slavery, and it was recently adopted as a national observance. And the advisory committee had asked me to submit the motion asking council to approve Emancipation Day as an official observance among our official observances of the city of Vancouver. At current, it's really just an ad hoc proclamation by the mayor. And I think the substance is pretty clear here. And I do want to acknowledge and thank Councillor Domenato for helping me to bring this forward today.
Thank you very much. Council is during discussion. Okay. I'm going to bring it to a vote.
And that passes unanimously.
Okay. Thank you very much. Council, any other items, any business? Seeing no one in the queue. Oh, Councillor Dominato. Okay. Is this new business or inquiries? Matters. Okay. Council, are there any inquiries or other matters? Councillor Dominato, please go ahead.
Yes, Mayor, through you to City Manager or Deputy City Manager. I've had inquiries from residents about the closure of New Brighton Pool due to mechanical problems, and the questions have been raised is how long will the pool be closed and will it be reopened before the summer's end? And so I'm curious if staff have that information readily available, and if not, could they circulate a memo to Council? I certainly would welcome that and noting that there is public interest in this and wanting to understand whether they'll have access to the pool for the remainder of the summer or not. My second item, Mayor, is, well, I know we're limited in terms of the staff that we have here in chambers right now, but I did want to personally extend my thanks and gratitude to city staff and all of the respective departments and roles that they fulfill here. Harnessing sort of my perspective of the three-legged stool of good governance and policy making in the world. I sort of view it as a three-legged stool is that we have different roles and responsibilities in delivering good policy and some of it starts from those in governing roles like us who run on platforms to deliver different actions that we think are gonna make a better city or a better community. Then there's our staff and management teams who play a critical role in delivering on that vision. But oftentimes, as I've learned, policymaking is not always driven by those who govern, but by the civil service staff who identify problems and issues that are emerging within neighborhoods or through policy and will identify those for those of us who are governing at council. And then there's the public and the stakeholder groups that we deal with and interface with. who they themselves, whether they're residents or businesses or industry groups, who identify emerging issues or challenges or things that need to be addressed through policy, that bring those up. They bring them up through us as elected officials. They also bring them up through staff as well. And in daylighting sort of that three-legged stool of policymaking, I wanted to showcase that it is an interconnected role of work of managing and governing in the best interests of citizens. And we do have different roles and responsibilities in doing that. But it's important work. And we do wear different hats. But it is a collaborative effort in delivering on that work. I wanted to express those thoughts today, given that this will be our last formal council meeting of the term. And I also wanted to extend, beyond the staff, my thanks to the public, but also thanks to my colleagues in the work that we're doing. We don't always agree. Oftentimes we have different perspectives, but I do believe that if you decide to put your name on a ballot and you decide to run for public office, it's because you care deeply about your community. You care deeply about what you represent. And so we may not always agree on the path forward, but I think we oftentimes actually do agree on ultimately the outcomes that we want to achieve in our city and civil society. And so as we enter into the campaign field, there'll be a lot of differentiation and so on about how different we are. But my experience has been as often we have more points of agreement than we do difference at this table. And so I wanted to thank my colleagues for everything they put in, our political staff, our clerks, and the rest of the city teams. And of course, our media as well, who joined us in here every now and then. So thank you, Mayor, for that opportunity.
Thank you. Thank you very much. I was going to crack a joke, but I won't. Okay.
Seeing no one else in the queue, may we have a motion to adjourn? Great. Was that Councillor Meiszner? Thank you. Seconded by Councillor Klassen. All those in favour, say yay. All those opposed, say nay. Great. This meeting is adjourned. Thank you, everyone.