Burrard Slopes Park Concept Plan Approval

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Hi, my name is Ray Simpson, and I'm a local skateboarder. I'm a member of East Van Skate Club. We need more skate parks because... Kids can learn and also adults. I like to skate with my friends. We need more and more skate parks because we can learn, try our best, and to have fun. Also indoor skate parks. Thank you. Thank you.

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Good evening, Chair and Park Board Commissioners and staff. Thank you for giving the public an opportunity to provide advice on the proposed concept for the Burrard Slopes Park. I support the proposed concept and staff's recommendation. My name is Michael Gordon. I live nearby. And having had the Burrard Slopes Park for a number of years, I've really been enjoying the sunshine in the afternoons and certainly would welcome the addition of the proposed facilities and landscaping. I also have been a volunteer with the Vancouver Skateboard Coalition for several decades. And we provide advice on the design and maintenance of skateboard facilities. And also in the winter, we partner with CMHC, the federal government agency that manages Granville Island, to have, at least for a couple of months, a covered skateboard facility in Vancouver during the wet weather. I support how the recently amended concept plan shifts the location of the skateboard park so it is facing an area-zoned industrial commercial. I'm a little disappointed it's a little smaller, and certainly it would be wonderful if it was covered, but nonetheless I understand you've just got a block to work with. As a Westside skateboarder, it's disappointing there's only one skate park west of Canby Street. There are about four in East Vancouver, and we're getting another one. Thank you very much, Park Board. It takes me about 25 minutes on my bike. or on transit to get to the only park we have, which is in Quilchenna Park, which is quite a lovely park. Thank you very much. We do have a lot of fun there as well. My friend and fellow volunteer, Cameron French, He and I initiated a politician just a few weeks ago, sort of a petition just a few weeks ago. So since late March, more than 600 people have signed our petition supporting a skateboard facility in this park. We really appreciate the excellent work. that your staff have done, and the inclusion of a modest-sized space for skateboarding. We'd really appreciate your approval of staff's recommendations and moving forward with the Broad Slopes Park. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Do any commissioners have questions? Seeing none, thank you so much for coming out to speak tonight.

I was just going to say one thing about demographics, because I'm a community... Sorry, just come to the mic. I'm going to say one thing about demographics. I do follow how these central areas are evolving. Let's notice there's a new school going in Olympic Village, and where do we see the schools packed but in the central area of Vancouver?

Commissioner Herr has a question for you, so please just stay put. Go ahead, Commissioner Herr.

Thank you for coming out tonight. Just a quick question. You said you had engaged, was it a politician as well?

No, no, no, I just misspoke. I was talking about a petition. Okay, thank you. Sorry about that.

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Hi, my name is Nico Simpson. I'm a local skateboarder and also a member of East Van Skate Club. I love skateboarding because I can make new friends and learn more tricks. We need more skate parks for people that want to try and learn. Skateboarding and learn. And I also think the community is the best because we help each other and everybody needs this. Skateboarding, skateboard, wait, no. We also need indoor skate parks because when it rains, we can't skateboard. We will just slip and we won't be able to learn tricks. And this is why I think we should have new skate parks. Thank you.

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Yeah, you bet. So my name is Oliver Tennant. Pronouns are he, him, and I am... the secretary of the vancouver skateboard coalition and i've been volunteering for with the skate coalition for the last about uh five years down or so and uh privileged to be part of the team there um for tonight's motion i am uh voting in favor of it and that's why i wanted to speak tonight and i just want to start off by saying a huge huge thanks to parkport staff um specifically uh jason and michelle lariakis because all these parks that are coming up into fruition um are all part of the 2022 skateboard amenities strategy so back in june of 2022 uh the park board at the time unanimously approved the skateboard amenity strategy at that took about two years of full-time work from staff and hundreds if not thousands of volunteer hours and what's really really exciting about the skateboard amenities strategy is now we're obviously starting to see it come to fruition when opportunities like this come up For a little bit of context for the commissioners who may not be familiar with the skateboard amenity strategy, between 2005 and 2025, there was no new skate parks really built in the city. So there was a large glut there when no skate parks were built, but skateboarding hugely grew on the rise, not only due to COVID, but also larger kind of sports contexts like the Olympics and whatnot. So it's just really exciting for me to see plans like this come to fruition, again, that represent the unanimously passed 2022 skateboard amenity strategy. And I'm happy to support it, and I hope you do as well. So thank you for your time.

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ALL RIGHT. HI, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS CAMERON FRENCH. Thank you for everyone for being here tonight. Thank you for the broad slopes concept plan. Vancouver skateboard community is also very grateful for this plan. And we appreciate the inclusion of a skate park in the space. As Michael mentioned before, just to show support for the motion itself, we created a petition on March 23rd when the concept plan was released. This is just kind of a poster that we were distributing to local skate shops and what have you. We did generate... just over 600 signatures, so there's like 14 pages of people's names here. Most of them are Vancouver residents, probably about 85%, and then as well as a lot of people from surrounding areas like Coquitlam and North Vancouver and what have you. A lot of the people that supported the petition also left comments as well, outlining things like just an urgent need for more skate parks, spaces for kids and families, Vancouver's iconic skate scene, as well as the lack of facilities past west of Canby Street. As Michael noted, there is only Quill Channel Park. As a member of the Vancouver Skateboard Coalition as well, I just want to... talk about the gap in the infrastructure west of Canby Street. This is all outlined in the 2022 City Skates Skateboard Amenities Strategy. Close to this space as well, the Vancouver Skateboard Coalition has put the Green Ramp on Granville Island, a covered skate space, every winter since 2019, which is incredibly well used as well. And then the Burrard Slopes Park is also awesome for a skate park as well because it's not only located along bus routes on West 4th Avenue, but also being at the end of active transportation network is just amazing as well. As a Kitsilano skateboarder, I think it would be amazing to see something in our community that echoes the positive impact of the China Creek and Collingwood skate parks that were recently redesigned and built. I think that these facilities have really exemplified that some of the stereotypes that people associate with skate parks are largely outdated. I think that when most people go to these facilities now, they see a lot of families, a pretty widespread demographic of people using the spaces, including kids, families, people my age, older people as well, which I think is great. I'm also happy with the plan because it addresses some of the sound concerns with a hill and some planters and moved the park away from residents on 6th Avenue, which I think is awesome. And yeah, as a Kitsilano resident, I want to maintain that we as Kitsilano skateboarders hope to be good neighbors and support this plan.

Commissioner Jensen has a question for you. Sorry, one second. There you go.

I see this park plan mirroring kind of the Mount Pleasant skate park, which I think is a little in the west, if we are. But it's a space where there is a skate space and this quiet kind of gathering space where families come together in a playground. Do you have any recollections or experiences of seeing any sort of negative interactions between this skate park and the families and the users of that park besides Simon Fraser Elementary School? So I'll say a couple things. I don't personally use the Mount Pleasant Skate Park that often because like a lot of skateboarders in the area, I don't love that park for a couple of reasons. The first of which is the fence with the tarp that's around it. That was... placed for um sound other concerns makes the skate park dry a lot fast a lot slower which sucks um and then it's also kind of a small skate park so when you have more than three or four skaters at a time it can be hard to use that park um so of course We advocate for as large of a space as we can possibly get. And I think that one of the great things about the proposed concept plan is the use of a hill as well as plants instead of a fenced off area. As a skateboarder, as a social person, I love being able to use a skate park that is well integrated with the rest of a park. Like at Quilchena, for example, there's a couple benches around the skate park and I've had so many lovely conversations with local seniors and people that don't necessarily skateboard just because they love observing the space. And I think it would be a shame if this park was built in a similar way to the Mount Pleasant Park where you couldn't have that interaction with the other

park users thank you great answer appreciate that thank you uh commissioner hair also has a question for you go ahead thank you for coming out i've got my my eldest is a lot older now he's 20 but i remember them skating in skate parks quite a bit and and much younger like these little kids here at some point i was dragging them around all over town looking for skate parts so i just want to know like how did you do you go out to ubc as well

So I live kind of in between Quilchena and UBC in terms of skate parks. I don't go to the UBC park too often just because it's a little bit inconvenient to get to. I'm mostly a biker and it's just like up a big hill. I'd rather go to Quilchena. The UBC park also, for those who do drive, which I don't personally drive, you can't find free parking there. And then, of course, it being on a university, some people don't necessarily feel as welcome as they would in a city space as well. So, yeah, just because it's a different area, I think.

Okay, thank you.

I just want your input on that. Okay, thank you.

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Thank you, Jeremy. Thank you, commissioners. Thank you, staff. And thank you, committee speakers, for your time. My name is Jeremy Nann. I am the vice president of the Vancouver Skateboard Coalition. As previous speakers have already said, the Vancouver Skateboard Coalition has worked with the Parks Board to help develop the Skate and Mini Strategy Plan, which is adopted in 2022. The Skate and Mini Strategy recognize that Vancouver is fairly lacking in terms of total skate space in regards to the population when you compare it to neighbor cities such as Seattle, Calgary, and even Surrey. In the 20-year plan, it recommended building seven new skate parks and ten new skate dots. And four years in with the plan, we've only seen one new skate spot built in Collingwood as well as one coming up, one new park coming up pending build in Slocum Park. The strategy also identifies the severe lack of skate amenities in the west side of the city, as previous speakers have mentioned. Broad Slopes is within that area of Kitsilano, which is identified in Phase 1 of the plan as a potential spot to put a skate park. It's on a bike path, which promotes skate travel to the park, as well as transit. We have shown the need for skate space in that area in the last eight years. through our All Aboard Weekend event, as well as the seasonal green ramp program at Granville Island, which sees upwards of 1,000 users throughout the weekend, as well as the two-month span that the pop-up ramp is up. Yeah, as previous speakers have said, we've also showed through our petition that 600 people have supported an interest in putting a skate park at the Broad Slopes Park. And then just speaking as a resident of Vancouver and a Vancouver Parks user. I support the mixed-use park that's proposed by Hanako and other park staff because it brings a mixture of demographics and users into such a small space for free recreation in the city.

Thank you so much. I'll just look to see if there's any questions. We have Commissioner Hare asking a question.

Thank you for coming tonight. So do you live in the area?

No, I don't.

Do you live close to the area?

I would say about 15 minutes away.

Would you rather see a skate park in a different area? Maybe that's a larger skate park?

I would say speaking as a representative of skateboarder users across the city, I would like to have equity across the city of where spaces are put.

And do you find that maybe there's a skate park lacking in a different area that we should have maybe looked at a different space?

Well, the strategy has shown a lack of skate space in that area. I would also point out to South Vancouver and yeah. Okay, thank you. Those are major areas in the skate amenities strategy that's been pointed out.

Thank you.

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Good evening, Commissioners. Thank you for letting me speak today. My name is Jesse Owe. I'm a resident of the area. I've been going to skate coalitions for about 30 years on and off now, and I'm very excited to see this proposal, and I support it completely. I echo that the west side is underserved, and I think this is quite a good spot for local skaters in the area. The nearby block on West 4th has been home of board culture for, I don't know, 30-something years. Before there was West Beach and now there's Pacific Border and there's the boardroom and there's Cal Streets. If you're gonna be buying a board short of some of the other skateboard shops, I'd say go to West Forth. It's what originally drew me to the area and led to me making that my home. I also see that it's an area with a lot of young people, and it always has been. Kits draws a lot of young people, and so I think it's a great spot for it. As much as... i enjoy green space and i think everybody does i also think that there's a real need for active space and active use of parks so this park looked like there's a lot of stuff going on there which i think would really add to the area uh i spent a lot of time in skate parks and i'd say that there's a very broad range of people that use them but it definitely has young energy so i think it's a great spot i support it i hear a lot of the concerns about noise this is very common early on in terms of the apprehensions usually after You know, they generally subside. And so I think that this is a great spot for it. Thank you.

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My name is Cathy. Let me make sure. Thank you. Here we go. My name is Cathy Ho-Chach-ka. Oh, I was close. Commissioners, staff, everybody here, thank you for allowing me to speak. So I want to first thank staff for taking the initiative to buying the lot at the southeast side or northeast side. That is phenomenal. Excellent, excellent idea. I'm glad we have the whole space. I know it's taken a long time and it's cost a lot of money, $53 million I think you had mentioned, but that is great. The second thing I want to address is I want to appreciate that the project team listened to some of the residents who are there, and I understand that there wasn't a delineation between residents and non-residents. There are a lot of people who showed up, but there is a contentious issue. It's a huge contentious issue with this park. When it comes to the proposal before you, I actually love the majority of it, but I spoke in opposition only on one specific item, and that is the Skateboard Park. I could say that the Skateboard Park, there are certain things, if you take a look at page 14 of 50 on the January 18, 2022 Skateboard Data Engagement Report that you guys did, You can see that the general populace who uses skateboard parks is a certain demographic. Therefore, although we heard that a lot of people enjoy watching and in communicating with people, it isn't necessarily as equitable. Another thing is that there is a bit of an incongruency in the design. Why would you have a tranquil section of a park adjacent to a skateboard park that is concrete? Doesn't really make some sense. But you know what, let's just get straight to the point. The point of the park, and that is contentious, is noise. Mount Pleasant had that covering because of noise. The residents in our building, and I'm actually speaking for myself, although I am part of a community association. but I'm not going to speak for them specifically today. But noise is the issue. I can speak to one other business directly across the park, which is called Lady Bugs. They are a wedding engagement business. They utilize the park for receptions and for photographs. they are opposed and that you can speak to her directly of having the skateboard park there because it too is incongruous with their business but i want to talk to the noise noise has been documented um in some of the vancouver parts board reports february 2007 april 2015 june 2022 And to go to say the opposite of something that was happening today, I feel badly because I feel like this is a slight lose-lose. Lose for the skateboarders and lose for the residents. What do I mean by that?

Thank you so much. Unfortunately, our time is up. Okay. But I appreciate it, and you were very succinct in your point, and noise was the main issue. We'll look to see. We do have one question from Commissioner Digby. Yep. All right. There you go.

Yeah, thank you. So, well, thank you for your comment. We have heard that noise is some people's biggest concern with skate parks, but this is a light industrial area. You've got Granville Street Bridge is roaring by, right? No, not really. You don't hear that?

No, because the First Street exit actually is typically one lane, possibly two. It's been closed for a long period of time. Secondly, it's light industrial area. So what does that mean? That means that the majority of those businesses are actually, there are more customers come and go inside. It is not heavy industrial businesses like the Molson site or even like where Sanak is taking over. So no. And in fact, the reason that there's a point in the report that talks about acoustic noise and it wasn't that loud is is because they know that noise is a large issue for the residents, multiple residents, both renters, seniors, and owners in that whole area. It's also, I'm the person who sent a proposal through to say utilize the buildings. For a win-win situation, utilize the buildings that are currently there. Repurpose them. Don't knock them down. Get your schedule faster, your finances lower. Repurpose them for the bathrooms and for the skateboard park. Skateboarders want a covered park that they can utilize all year long. Residents don't want noise. Utilize the buildings for that.

Okay, okay. Thank you. That helps me understand. Yeah. Thank you.

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Okay, good evening, commissioners. Thank you for having me. My name is Stone Friesen. I am the treasurer of the Vancouver Skateboard Coalition, and I'm speaking in support of the Burrard Slopes Plan and the inclusion of a plaza-style skateboard park in the final design. From an economic and cultural standpoint, I believe that the skate park fits seamlessly into the neighborhood, one with a rich skateboarding history and skateboarding businesses surrounding it. West Forth currently has at least four skateboarding or board sport-related shops within a five-minute walk, and it's been home to skateboard shops and the culture for over 30 years. including the old West Beach location that hosted an iconic halfpipe that served our community, including skaters like my dad for many years before its closure. Today, the surrounding neighborhood has no permanent skateboard amenities. However, it is activated by our organization for about two and a half months per year. During our winters, we do all aboard our skateboarding pop-up in partnership with Granville Island. This small ramp serves skateboarders from not only the neighborhood, but has attracted over 1,000 visitors annually from around the Lower Mainland since it started in 2019. As of now, as mentioned, there's only one skateboarding amenity west of Canby Street, and that's also including the West End. So for people who want to quickly hop over the bridge, this is a potential option for them rather than going to the downtown core. I think that, as mentioned in our skateboard amenities strategy, this aligns with our goal in connecting some underutilized areas as part of this capital plan. And I was, along with many others, incredibly excited to hear that this design is intended to be a plaza-style skate park. It's something I think that skateboarders in this city have been asking for for a long time since the completion of the plaza downtown that was incredibly successful. and actually is globally recognized as the first plaza-style skate park in the world, and has been replicated all over the place. And while we haven't made another skate park like this since, many other cities like Montreal, San Francisco, and Malmo, Sweden, have taken our groundbreaking idea and improved upon it. Malmo's newest skate plaza that opened last year was recently named one of the world's greatest places in 2026 by Time Magazine for a progressive design that captured a rich cultural history. And I think that we deserve to be back on top as leaders in this space as the people who originated this idea. It's projects like this that give me hope for the future of skateboarding Vancouver and being a leader in these types of public amenities. And I'm excited to hopefully continue working alongside you in the implementation of this project. Thank you for your time.

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Thank you, Chair. Good evening, commissioners and staff and guests who are here. My name is Ian Adam, as you heard. I'm a resident of the building at the corner of 6th and Pine. I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE STRATA COUNCIL FOR THAT BUILDING. FIRST LET ME SAY I THINK THIS BOARD DESERVES HUGE CONGRATULATIONS FOR MANAGING TO ASSEMBLE THIS BLOCK SIZED PARK. I MEAN THE FACT THAT IT TOOK 40 YEARS TO COMPLETE THE WORK IS JUST AN INDICATION OF WHAT A CHALLENGE IT WAS AND I THINK FUTURE GENERATIONS WILL LOOK BACK AND SAY FIRST WE GOT THE GREENWAY AND NOW WE GOT THIS PARK. WHAT FANTASTIC THINGS AND THEY'LL BE HUGE ASSETS FOR THE FUTURE. Broad slopes, as you've heard, was originally an industrial area. It's been in the process of converting into a residential area for almost that long. But it still has a very industrial feel, and I think this park will go a long way towards improving the feel of the neighborhood. Having said that, the one concern we have, and you've already heard it, is the skateboard park and primarily the noise it would generate. And it's not the noise from delightful little girls like this that we're worried about. It's the big kids who... tend to make a lot of noise, banging the skates around and singing out various expressions to each other, and are often there late at night. Now, I know your staff say it's not really going to be any noisier than ambient noise, but it's in the evening, really, that we're worried about it. When people want to come home from work or from school, they want to have quiet enjoyment at home, and they want to settle their kids, and they're hearing all this noise in the skate park. So that's our biggest concern. We're also concerned about graffiti, which tends to accumulate in and around skate parks, and I think looking at any of the existing skate parks, you'll see that's the case. So, what I would like to do is I would like to present to you a petition, or politician, it might also be called, I understand. We assembled this in less than one day and only one building, and there's 61 names here. To put that in perspective, there were 61 people who signed it. There were five people who declined to sign it, which suggests that the neighbourhood at least is at least 90% opposed to the skateboard park. They want the rest of the park. It's fantastic. I'll supply that to your clerk. I don't want to sound negative. I mean, we're in favour of skateboards, we're in favour of skateboard facilities. underneath a bridge somewhere, underneath a bridge ramp. You can say that's engineering. I can talk to engineering for you if you like. Or Kathy's very innovative idea of putting it inside the building, which you just recently acquired. Then you'd have a facility that could be used in all weather and 12 months out of the year, and it would be seen as a very innovative creation by this board to go with your... great achievement in assembling the park. So that's essentially what I have to say, and I see my three minutes are up. I was expecting five. I do have more to say, but I'll stop there. Thank you.

Thank you so much. I'll look to see if there's any questions. Seeing none, I appreciate your time this evening. Thank you so much. And if you leave the petition there, we can collect it later on. Yeah, thank you. Just right there. Commissioner Verdi, thank you. And our next speaker, we're going to cycle back to Stephen Bohus, and then we're going to come back to Peg McAndrews. And so first on the phone, Stephen, can you hear me? Yeah, can you hear me? Yes, I can. You'll have three minutes once you begin speaking. You may begin.

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Okay, yeah, I'm sorry I can't be there in person, but I was there when you approved the demotion of the buildings a couple of years ago, and I... I had some concerns. I spent five years at a university to get a degree in landscape architecture. And I was a university instructor and a great landscape architecture student. So I have a couple of things to say actually about the design itself. And I love the whole idea that the park has been assembled. And that's a great initiative. But I am going to speak opposed to the current concept plan in its current form because it's not a particularly good design. One of the speakers mentioned that you could keep one or two of the existing buildings on the site that you just acquired. The smaller building could be actually converted into a field house. You could put the washrooms there, and so on. You'd save a lot of money by repurposing one or two of the buildings there. In terms of the locations of what you're proposing, it's actually a very problematic design for many things. You'd probably want to put the skate park next to the dock part, and you'd probably want to put that in the north. east corner around, in the northeast corner, because for many of the reasons that other speakers have outlined, I don't favor taking away the lawn because during the consultation, there was no proposal to keep the lawn at Sixth and Fir Park. And actually making any changes to Sixth and Fir Park or to the pollinator park at Pine and Fifth are big mistakes. You're just throwing away money that's already been spent. If you want to expand the playground, expand it towards the west, then you can replant those small trees. There's plenty of space there to make those changes. In terms of the need for a huge meadow and so on, you probably need better use of open space like you have in Jonathan Rogers Park. Jonathan Rogers Park is an entire full block and it's a much simpler design. It's actually a much better design than what you have in front of you. And I have some serious issues with the cost involved. It's like $53 million. And we should expect excellence. We could have had a design competition. We could have involved local universities. We could have been co-created there. But we've had none of this. And the staff process that they showed one design in a pop-up in one day is insufficient. And it was already essentially a done deal. And they've really redone the design. to something completely different and the entire park has changed by the addition of the two corner lot. So I think it's premature to actually approve this and you really deserve, you know, we deserve better. This could have been excellent. In terms of skate park, yeah, you could make it covered and it should be covered. You could look at the off ramps and work with engineering to provide some space there. And yeah, I would urge you to just hit the pause button and also to seed the current unused space with grass and let people use it already. So, yeah, please don't pass it.

Thank you, Stephen. Do any commissioners have clarification questions? Commissioner Hare. In regards to, I mean, a few people here have mentioned a covered skate park. If we were to put a covered skate park here, would you be concerned of Like overnight camping or graffiti or other sorts of stuff that might accompany that?

The first street off ramp, right? So that's covered and there are actually people who overnight they're in tents and the tents are gone. So I'm actually not concerned about that. I'm just more looking at usability if you're spending all this money get some value for the money and i think you do a much better skate park if that's the desire if you redesign the current concept okay thank you but i'm not i'm not concerned because there are covered spaces all around as well

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Okay, Peg McAndrews, and I'm a resident in the neighborhood where the park is going to be. And when I moved in there or bought my place in 2019, I was super excited because I overlooked the park. And I thought, oh, this is going to be so nice because what's there now are all these old buildings and they look dilapidated. Then they got taken down, and I was still excited. And then I found out news that there was going to be potentially a skateboard park, which I'm not opposed to skateboard parks. It's the noise factor. It's an acoustic noise. And my concerns are, have there been studies done to measure the readings of what the noise is? There's not just the noise from the park itself, but there's also noise from... The people with the skateboarders coming down the streets, like from Pine and Fir, there's a slant, like sloping in down to the park. And I hear that without a park even being built. And it's loud. And that's going to be amplified much more. by having a park there. The other thing that I know is I know some people that work at Glotman Simpson. They're right where this ladybug place is. They didn't know anything about this happening, and they all have single-paned windows, and I'm pretty sure Ladybug Place does too and I can't imagine like they've moved the park or the skateboard portion over there and I can't imagine that it's going to be great for them but I'm happy that it's further away from where I am however I wonder like that area is it going to be developed more so for residential for mixed use because it's prime real estate and if that happens there'll be like a ricocheting of noise off of all of the buildings around there, and it'll be terrible. So those are my concerns, and I know that in Mount Pleasant, it's more for smaller children, and so they tend to not go at it as quickly and aggressively in the park, and there's probably a little less problems there that have been spoken about by some of the people that are opposed. So I don't feel that that's a fair representation of what is planned for this one. And I heard a speaker mention that, you know, this is, you know, a great opportunity for skateboarders. And I agree that they should have more facilities. I really feel that utilizing the existing building that is covered, not sorry, not covered, but enclosed would be ideal. There is a concern about graffiti potentially on the building. You'd mentioned that, but... If it was painted up beforehand, it's like the city and the electrical boxes all over town, they'd put artwork on it or artists do something so that it's pleasing and then no graffiti happens. I think that could be an option. Then I'm an avid cyclist, so I... see different skateboard parks. There's one that's under the bridge over by Science World, the viaduct, that one. And I know that's not going to be there forever because there is going to be eventually some development done. But there was some tents there and there were some homeless people.

I'm sorry to cut you off, but that's the three minutes. But thank you so much for coming to speak. Do any commissioners have clarification questions?